TO ALL CHRISTIANS, HINDUS, MUSLIMS, SECULARISTS, COMMUNISTS and all people who have a heart, who loves the nation and her heritage, who believes in ethics and values.
M.F.Hussain is trying to create problems between Hindus & Muslims.
He is trying to create communal tension and clashes. No true Musalman brother will do this, no true hindus or christians or true communists or any one who wants communal harmony, and hindu-muslim unity will not do this. Any responsible, nation loving Indian who understands India and its heritage will never do this.
"Greater the freedom, Higher the responsibility. M.F.Hussain should have used the freedom of expression in a much more responsible manner" - Maharashtra Court
I request you to go through these and react... React very strongly. Vande Mataram
(These are only some pictures, There are many more vulgar and obscene pictures, this is deliberate insult)
Hussain claims "Rape of India" is a response to terror attacks in Mumbai.
In America there were terrorist attacks, will he paint Rape of America ?
In Pakistan terrorist attacks happen twice every week, why doesnt he paint Gang Rape of Pakistan ?
Holy Mecca was attacked by terrorists once, will he paint Rape of Mecca ?
We consider India as holy as a temple, church or mosque. Thats why Mahatma Gandhiji
once installed "Bharat Matha Temple". We see Nation as Mother, as Goddess.
We cannot be too soft on either terrorits or anti national painters like Hussain.
Sita Matha and Sri Rama are the oldest symbols existing in this part of the continent. Is painting the private parts of Sita Devi justified in the name of freedom of expression. Hussain knows that painting these things will create controversy and get him publicity. But 'using' these sacred symbols for selling and getting publicity is cheap and cunning.
Hey Ram were the last words of Gandhiji. Rama Rajya to him was the ideal state where all people and religions lived in harmony. Rama was 'purushottama', the ideal man.
60 years of Independence is morally the journey from Mahatmaji's Ram and Sita to Hussain's Ram and Sita
Dear Brothers and Sisters, My name is Rahul Easwar.
I usually dont write blogs nor am I a person who is very much into internet. But for the the past some days I was very disturbed about the above pictures. I was extremely sad and depressed over the above pictures. How can we allow a person to insult national, historic and cultural symbols and be happy and okay about it ???
It is something concerning you, me our future generations and our nation as such.
Please protest this move by the Kerala Government. The above pictures offends the national pride, dignity of women, religious feeling, secular and ethical fabric of our nation.
Silence is golden, but not always; many a times it becomes a sin
React, for we all have mother, sister, wife and family.
Let us take a pledge on this great day, that these kind of hatred creating cultureless elements will not be tolerated.
LET US SAY THAT WITH PRIDE THAT No one will be allowed to disturb the moral, cultural and national fabric of the nation. May our hearts rise to the heavens on this Independence day and declare who ever insults national pride and our culture will not be spared.
I HAVE HEARD SOME PSEUDO-INTELLECTUAL,
SO-CALLED "LIBERAL" COMMENTS SUPPORTING M.F.HUSSAIN . LET ME REMIND " NO PERSON IN THE WHOLE WORLD IS "LIBERAL" and "BROAD MINDED" about his own MOTHER, SISTER, WIFE and DAUGHTER..
I CHALLENGE ANY ONE TO BE "LIBERAL" about THEM
(with immense apologies to their family).
WE LOVE OUR NATION AND CULTURE HIGHER THAN OUR FAMILY AND OURSELVES...WHAT WILL WE DO IF SOME ONE PAINTS OUR FAMILY MEMBERS NUDE, SEX MANIAC and VULGAR ???
...WHAT SHOULD BE DONE TO M.F.HUSSAIN ???
LET M.F.Hussain not receive the RAJA RAVI VARMA award on September 17th 2007
AND WE HAVE WON...Kerala High Court and Maharasthra Court came to uphold Justice, Hon'ble Kerala High Court stopped the award and Maharashtra court issued arrest warrant to Hussain
Jai Hind
1,364 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 600 of 1364 Newer› Newest»Dear Rajan...or any other person.
When you dont know any thing about Chengannor Bhagavathi or Sabarimala. please dont go by hear says...Since this is not the forum..
PLEASE DO CALL ME..98468-15555
i will let u know th details...
and jayakrishnan i read and replied to ur comments...Since my technical assist is the person who monitors this, i will enquire..
But think about those things I wrote
Anwar ...
I respect all religions...But
is it right if some one paints
1. Sita devi (who is respected by crores of Hindus) as Sex Maniac
2. If some one paints the Great Prophet Mohammed as a Sex maniac,
will any good human being forgive the painter? ( I believe all true religious people all Hindus, Christians, Muslims and True secularists will protest, So painting a women, Sita Matha..is it not offensive ? )
3.The problem here is not only nudity...It is painting and insulting a nations and cultures images.
4. How can any true secularist justify painting of Sita Matha as Sex Maniac, Hanuman watching and enjoying Sita and Ram having sex, Painting goddess of knowledge as nude and vulgar
Can we justify ?
Will a true Musalman justify this, Will a true Christian justify this,
Will a true Human and Indian take this ??
Think...
After seeing the above comments, I must say the realities…
As somebody mentioned earlier, british made to create rift between religions. Later the communist used these same stories to get the support of minorities. Very true.
I would like to ask one question to true communist supporters ( ayyappadasan, rajan & party). Still you remember, the non believers taking the advantage of those prisoner Krishna and hundreds of temples in kerala.the DEWASOM. Not only the hindu’s but also the entire communities irrespective of hindu, Christian and muslim in our state including the so called followers of communists are also enjoying the benefit from the believers in the name of god.
And still they are barking against the god and believers…if you have some commonsense ( as somebody said - commonsense is quite uncommon now a days)
You can realise it.
Any incidents which hurts any of the religions sentiments cannot be justified or encouraged.
If hussain is that much talented and intelligent or he has any quality of an artist, he can easily assume that such kind of creations may cause problems in society and among the believers.
Do you people think, there is no other artists in India who can imagine such an ‘ART’?
Why didn’t they created one so far? That’s what I said anybody with commonsense, not even that, - the ordinary sense can easily understands the harm it makes by drawing such a picture. Then WHY HUSSAIN DID THAT??? – He did it intentionally.
Who all are here to comment about the hindu tolerance? Somebody here with such a claim that - ‘READ” all the books in this entire globe, and still living in a REPUTED
INTER – NATIONAL institute( I don’t care even if there is such one in west bangal)
Preached about the hindu tolerance and some revolutionary thoughts.
But my dear friend, you only know the things which you learned from the books written in this century or in the middle of the century.
But do you know – Who is intolerant?
Even before some centuries – the intruders from other regions constantly trying to destroy the Indian culture or the Indian knowledgebase. the evidences are starting by the destroy of NALANDA and Thakshashila.
You may studied the contributions of akbar, mugals and even tippu. But anybody told you about the harm they made to Indian culture and what are the valuables they destroyed in India? Or the harm they made in our people and culture?
Those people are intolerant in nature, that’s in their blood, if you are such a great
Vaayanakkaran” I can give you some links – which are scientifically and historically proved documents and proofs.
Whatever you are, once you were in India, or you are a pure Indian. So it is your responsibility to keep its integrity .the inruder community has the fire in the belly to be intolerant always. I didn’t hear any single story about the Indians who attacked their neighbours without any reason.( reason will always the counter attacks).
So it is a serious offence from the side of MF hussain, and it should not be encouraged by any means. Let them know the power of being an Indian.
And to hindu community- forget all your dissimilarities join together and show your power ,fight with every injustice against you. Remember equal powers only always respect. Your generosity, tolerance or ignorance will not pay you in the play.
Rahul, what is your plan to prevent that event? It is in 17th ? Please seek some helps from local organisations and people. Make it aware to each and every person in India,
Protest it, because MF Hussain is not deserving the award.
>I think everyone still remember what happend when sum foriegn cartoonist made a funny cartoon of prophet, at that time muslim community protested properly.
Now the similar situation arised for indians ,Hussain insulted the Indian culture As goddess Lakshmi, Saraswathi etc are regarded as basis for Our culture and heritage...
Time to Wake Up .......
Protest Peacefully
Dear Rahul
By visiting your blog people can enjoy the paintings of the great artist MF Hussain. This is the only positive side of this blog. If he exhibits them in a public place, lunatic fringe of hindu organisations would have destroyed them.
James earlier said "Any incidents which hurt any of the religions sentiments cannot be justified or encouraged".
Christian god is advising his followers to destroy those who worship other gods or idols. This hurts the sentiments of Hindus and Muslims.
Muslims 3 times a day during their call for prayer informing people that there is only one god that is almighty Allah. There is lot of versus in quran which direct to destroy those who believe in other gods. This hurts the sentiments of christians and muslims.
Hindus worshiping idols and numerous gods. This hurt the sentiments of christians and muslims.
So if you are a true follower any religion you can not co-exist with believers of other religion.
So I repeat my earlier point that, religion is there to divide people. It encourages violence. We must through away religion from our society.
Dear Rajan,
Rahulji was forced to display it here because of the governments senseless behaviour of awarding Hussain,else that idiot's so-called art was a forgotten issue.
Why should you target religions? Will you support Hussain if he draw a nude picture of your mother or sister. May be you won't mind, but we can't be so broadminded (if you call it broadmindedness) like you.
Do you think this world grew, developed & became a better place to live because of people like you?
People like you are the sort who try to find darkness and is blind to see bright side of things.
May be you will consider Communist China as heaven and may be you will be happy if China attacks India. Pity you dear brother.
Let me quote you, "So if you are a true follower any religion you can not co-exist with believers of other religion. "
We are co-existing with followers of other religions and it's people like you who wish to see trouble in the name of religion.
The attack on Thali temple, the numerous attacks on statues of Sree Narayana Guru are all acts by people like you who wish to see violence in the name of religion where people of different religions co-exist.
You said,
"So I repeat my earlier point that, religion is there to divide people. It encourages violence. We must through away religion from our society. "
I understand you mean 'throw away'. Rajan, tell me, how many people in your immediate family have married from other religions? Have you entered your religion in your records, school register etc.? Did you remove them? What about your family? Don't you think even you talk as a representive of some sect?
Hope Rahulji delete your comment because it speaks utter nonsense.
God bless you dear brother !
I'm feeling pity about rajan, because his recent comments reveals his immaturity in thoughts and lacking of understanding about the society system.
even if the customs behind each religion may vary, but the core is same.
Gita, Bile & Koran may tell you do certain things. but all of should be a betterment for an individual, his family, his society and his nation. That should not be taken as a license to do any harm to others.
even a 5 yr old child can realize whats good and what is bad.
V E R Y S E R I O U S
DEAR R A J A N ...U TOLD ME
"By visiting your blog people can enjoy the paintings of the great artist MF Hussain. This is the only positive side of this blog"
Hai Rajan..Thank you for informing me that "PEOPLE CAN ENJOY THE "GREAT" HUSSAIN PAINTINGS BY VISITING MY BLOG"
I KNOW HOW TO REPLY TO THIS...
B U T I W I L L N O T..Since you too have a "family"...
AND I WROTE THIS BLOG WITH EXTEME SADNESS AND DEPRESSION...
THERE MIGHT BE MANY PEOPLE YOU
KNOW WHO CAN PAINT THEIR
MOTHER,SISTER AND WIFE NUDE AND
SELL THOSE PAINTING IN MARKET AND
GET MONEY AND BE "BROAD MINDED"
ENOUGH TO CLAIM "FREEDOM OF
EXPRESSION AND LIBERALISM"
BUT SADLY I AM NOT THAT "BROAD MINDED" NOR AM I THAT LIBERAL...NOR AM I A PERSON WHO IS ARTISTIC ENOUGH TO ENJOY THOSE PAINTINGS....
WHAT TO DO ? MY PARENTS, CULTURE AND NATION MADE ME SO NARROW MINDED...
B U T I PREFER TO BE LIKE THAT...ALL THE BEST FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE TOO "FORWARD THINKING" AND "BROAD MINDED" THAN ME.
MAY YOUR CONSCIENCE FORGIVE YOU
Dear Rahul,
I dont like to answer personal queries. Since so many of you repeatedly asking me about my relatives nude pictures, I made following comments. My purpose is not to hurt anyone.
If anyone happend to get a nude painting (or a nude photograph)of his mother father or uncle, does he display them in a public place (or among his relatives) and start lamenting that see how ugly is this ,protest. I think he goes to a court and file a complaint as any responsible citizen does. I react that way only. Public has nothing to do with this. If one has pain in his heart while watching these paintings how can he display them in a public place. That is why I earlier said the real motive behind this whole excersice is not the paintings or MF Hussain, but to open a war front against the government using this as a weapon.
I request you not to delete MF's paintings from this blog. There are lot of art lovers (they are also indian) who love these pictures.
@Rajan, we put this picture to protest against the hussain as well as the people who decided to give RAJA RAVI VARAMA award to him.
we know many ppl love this, more than that, what kind of people they are...
( "vaayana" kooduthal ullavarum, pinne swentham thallede nude picture inte art aswadikunavarum, deivathe kuttam parenjitu athil ninnum ulla paisa kayyittu vari thinnunavarum..)
ini njan pacha malayalathil thane chodikatte..NAANAM UNDO HEY..???
please get away from this place, it is the place to protest MF hussain's art, which hurts millions of indian people.
@Rahul,
please block those morons like rajan from this place, its the place to protest,not for the slaves of those MF.
Rajan says, " That is why I earlier said the real motive behind this whole excersice is not the paintings or MF Hussain, but to open a war front against the government using this as a weapon."
And the motive behind Rajans support for Hussain is not the paintings, but the protest against the government.
Does it hurt you Rajan ?
This thug is using his artistic freedom.
The Govt of Kerala should have avoided such a controversial character.
Really his paintings are graded bullshit.Its like a 2 year old using paint and brush for the first time.
proud user..
I agree with u totally.
The kerala govt has done this with a "purpose"
Altough mr rahul has started this protest I do not think we can stop the kerala govt from giving mfh this award, but we pray to GOD that Rahul and we all supporters succeed.
u r an idiot. I think u r a product of "timepass" by your parents or your mother and someone(is it mfh..?)
Lol is that the so called Indian *culture*? Hello girl(if u r a girl) I dont mind a light banterring Shilpa but that sentence of yours qualifies as a third rate street level personal attack if not making sense.......Get a grip on your life girl...[;)]
You can take such liberties in your home but this is public.....Learn to maintain the decorum....;)
Dear Rahul,
You wrote:-
"1) No where in any nation in the world except India, You will find so many people who doesnt love their mother land"- In US the conservative wing accuses anyone who had opposed Iraq invasion as anti-national. G.W.B. even used a mysterious logic that if you are not with us then you are with them. So would you call an American who protested against Vietnam war, Iraq invasion or even one who stood for civil liberties (including anti-racism, reduction of military expenditure, women's lib or gay-lesbian) an anti-national? May be you might have reservations regarding some of the civil liberty ideaologies, but I believe you wouldn't like to brand them. In India the context may be different and at times invisible thinking only from one perspective. There will be many thugs who might take bribe, who not do his duty as a civil servant, who would evade tax, who won't take up the basic civic responsibilies and still would biol at 100 degree for the case you presented or for India's defeat against Pakisthan. So my definition of nationalism is quite simple, do the duty of a citizen with all honesty- do not be corrupt, do not evade tax, try to contribute to the well being of fellow citizens at your own level and try not to be agitated for silly things (especially things where your domain knowledge is quite poor). And I strongly believe that progress of a nation will depend up on people who practise those ideals rather than shouting Jai Hind 2000 times.
2) No where in the world except India, you will see People so tolerant, some times over tolerant, tolerating anti-nationals in their own nation.- There is a brilliant work of Milan Kundera called "The Joke". This statement reminded me of the book. You know, in erstwhile communist states when the iron curtains existed, there was atleast 1 spy among every 10 people. The explantion was simple- "enemies of 'freedom' and 'equality ' deserve no freedom". So any word spelt againt party and polit bueuro was a blasphemy; even a joke was. Don't you think that what you suggested (or trying to project)is something very similar? Only the context has changed. India is diverse and tolerant and it is the sole reason why it could live with the challenges and the sole reason why it will exist in future too. Accept it. It is the synthesis of ideas, whose prerequisite is tolerance, that enables a people to be future perfect.
3) No where in the world, you will hear people talking rubbish about their own nation and its heritage, also claiming that "they are broad-minded" " - I am sorry Rahul, you are terribly mistaken there. First none of us spoke or implied that our heritage is worthless. Where we differed was how you interpret it and about what you consider as the heritage. Secondly, if criticising heritage (or past) is a taboo, no nation will have progressed. Society evolves from criticising every aspect of life and it is much required. Some of the criticisms might be trivial, while many others might prove better. So why be afraid of criticisms. Howard Zinn is American, while in his glorious book "A People's History of United States", he has uprooted the myth of Columbus being a great hero of a sailor. Columbus is not considered as a hero in America nowadays. The reason is because historians have substantial evidence that he killed (conducted a genocide) of native red Indians. Zinn has even alleged that US govt entered 1st world war (at the expense of the many military casualities) to upheld the interest of a few big arm dealers and corporations. Several nations have revised their history and criticised their traditions. So what should prevent the nation which said "change is the only unchangeable rule of time", much before Marx's work on sociology. All you need to accept is that it is not you who should determine the percentage nationalism of a citizen.
@Anuj- I am sure that you are aware that people who differed from the popular perceptions always existed in anacient India too. Out of the six systems of ancient indian philosophy a few (and very popular ones) were agnostic to athiestic. Also heterodox schools (Nastika) once had a demographic upperhand (in the days of glory of Budhism and Jainism).
I don't have any reason to fight religions without a cause. I have not branded anyone of you a person too. It is mostly religions who equate heresy or heretic to "immoral", "unethical" person. We like to judge a person by his/her action and conduct to fellow beings than what he/she believes, even if that is a trivial according to me. Therefore I do not consider any scripture as a last word too
Your statements reminded me about the words from Anand's work (who believes in some sort of GOD, although not in religions)- 'naalaamathe aani'
"avasaana vaak' ennonnilla. oru daivavum manushyarkkoru avasaana vaaku nalki pusthakam adachu vaikkilla......"
You wrote ...
"JAMES IRWIN,THE MOONWALKER & CREW MEMBER OF APPOLLO 15 AFTER RETURNING FROM THE MOON SAID, " FELT THE POWER OF GOD AS I'D NEVER FELT IT BEFORE"
KALPANA CHAWLA TOOK WITH HER AN IDOL OF VINAYAK FOR HER MARATHON SPACE STAY." - These instances are strawman arguments. Many people try to define a new experience to be God. Let them, I am not opposed to that. But I can give numerous counter examples too.
"Most scientists of the past and present are believers of God and adhere to some religious faith..." - I can pardon your ignorance. Well science and history science is one of my passions and so I have had the opportunity to know better about scientific methodlogy and scientists' view point. Have you heard about Betrand Russel, Alan Turing, Steven Hawkings (now consider a this person seriously- a full paralysed human being- a cosmologist of highest repute), to name a few.... Almost 75% of theoretical physicists are non-theists and almost more than 90% anti-creationists. Einstein was a diest (not a theist or believer. people gets mistaken by his statement 'God doesn't play dice' whose meaning he has explained himself and he did not imply a creationist argument), so was Feynman more or less (there is even an instance when he refused to chant torah up on the death of his father as mentioned in his biography). Ervin Schrodinger, Dirac, Jayant V Narliker (Indian cosmologist) etc. hundreds of people who see the cosmos with awe every passing second. Now what would you call them? They are not final word nor did they claim to be(unlike religious texts). If time permits please do read "God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. Atleast you will get an idea regarding why not all people buy the idea of God by religions. Dawkins is again an eminent physicist and it will do good for you to criticise non-believers if nothing else.
Now if you still challenge me, please give the list of religious scientists and mathematicians (after the victorian era and especially of the 20th century) with your idea regarding their belief sets, I'll give you twice as many non-religious ones.
I don't know your background, but I doubt if you understand what science is. Science is not yet another religion to be precise. And it is a framework to search better explanation for some questions that defines our understanding. For example the scope of human mind is large and so we can ask many questions recursively and all of which doesn't come under the purview of science too. You can ask "why" hunderded times recursively and claim that science has no answer while religion gives a simple answer -GOD. If you like that simpicity devoid of its subtilities, you may, but don't blame science. You can say "big bang" is still not complete, but you cannot undermine the dramatic revolution it brought from the days when people believed that GOD created Adam and Eve, one fine morning some 5000 years before (there used to be a usage of 'the year of our lord', which claimed the legacy from the point of creation). Since science is something where I have some domain knowledge, please do not make baseless statements.
@James
"Who all are here to comment about the hindu tolerance? Somebody here with such a claim that - ‘READ” all the books in this entire globe, and still living in a REPUTED
INTER – NATIONAL institute( I don’t care even if there is such one in west bangal)"[Ignorance is a bliss. But I did not expect you to know Prasantha Chandra Mahalanobis, or that Govt. of India has declayared his brithday to be regarded as statistics day or that there is an institute (75 year old) which he made where the giants in many a fields (including Eurpeans and Soviets) were teaching FACULTY and it drafted India's second five year plan etc]
"Preached about the hindu tolerance and some revolutionary thoughts...."
.......
"we know many ppl love this, more than that, what kind of people they are...
( "vaayana" kooduthal ullavarum, pinne swentham thallede nude picture inte art aswadikunavarum, deivathe kuttam parenjitu athil ninnum ulla paisa kayyittu vari thinnunavarum..)
ini njan pacha malayalathil thane chodikatte..NAANAM UNDO HEY..???"
It was my mistake that I even talked with you here. Mia Culpa, Mia Culpa, Mia Culpa .... You are not to be blamed but me. :-)
The question still hangs in the air, with so many personal assaults, who has maintained the tolerance and decorum in this discussion- those who claim to be the true "aarsha bhaaratha" followers or those who begged to differ for their own reasons .......
Chilar chandayil parayum poole comments nirathi kondu, aarsha bhaaratha prabhaashanam nadathi maathruka kaanikunnathil njaan adbhudappedunnilla .... Ethee bhaashayilum reethiyilum njaan samsaarichu sheelichittilla... Njan theerchayayum athente saamskaarika nilvaaramaayi thanne karuthunnu.
Pinne suhruthe Kalidasante varikal ethrshari aanennu eppol manssilaayi
-"arasikeeshu kavithva niveedhanam
shirassi malikha malikha malikha"
"Well science and history science is one of my passions and so I have had the opportunity to know better about scientific methodlogy and scientists' view point."
"Since science is something where I have some domain knowledge, please do not make baseless statements. "
Ayyappadas wants the whole world to believe he is a person with immense knowledge !
He quotes from books he has read, he has never tried to gain knowledge from other sources.He has not read the Vedas, the Upanishads, Bhagavat Geeta, The Holy Bible or The Holy Koran, yet he talks with authority about all the junk he had read that opposes them, religion or God. He does not even care to see peoples sentiments, I see a good politician in him !
Mr. Ayyappadas, you have named a few and you know very well that all others except those you have mentioned are believers of some religion or God . Why should I name all of them ?
Please do not think that what that you gained by reading alone is knowledge. You mention and quote from some book to cite examples, please understand that Kuttikrishna Marar,Howard Zinn ,Milan Kundera ,Richard Dawkins, are all part of this world(just few ), but either they are final word for anything(As you quoted what Anand said ).
First you read the religious texts after removing your shades of critisism.
Excuse me sir,
My intention was not to project that I have infinite knowledge base. But why should a mention of a few works you have not read make you feel so uncomfortable to resort to uncalled for arguments.
Mr. Anuj, I have read Gita to remember the interpretations and even some of its slokas. Bible (and biblical history) was once quite a bit of passion and an erstwhile Prof. of mine had done quite some studies. Quran, I have not read as a book completely, I admit. I have tried my best to understand Upanishad philosphy. Sukumar Azhikode's 'Tathvamasi' is work that I liked very much. Mahabharatha is an epic I consider as beyond any comparison. I know that it is not complete enough, but I have atleast seen the tip of the iceberg. Now, don't make another comment that I wanted to show myself big. You asked for it. Kuttikrishna Marar was a quite learned person and atleast Mr. Anuj would stand like a dwarf in his comparison to tell me that he is not worthwile.
Now, I realise that, my challenge has hurt your ego and since your domain knowledge there is slippery you are staggering.
I repeat, since you are very sure about what you believe, Richard Dawkin's work might give you some insight (and you can criticise it too)regarding why exactly non-believers in scientific fraternity disagree with religions. But as you were chanting about scriptures, let me ask you what have you learned about science? Which all books or persons? (Don't tell me that books mean nothing. They may not mean everything, but it is a way to learn about what others thought and well established theories)
"Ayyappadas wants the whole world to believe he is a person with immense knowledge !
He quotes from books he has read, he has never tried to gain knowledge from other sources.He has not read the Vedas, the Upanishads, Bhagavat Geeta, The Holy Bible or The Holy Koran, yet he talks with authority about all the junk he had read that opposes them, religion or God. He does not even care to see peoples sentiments, I see a good politician in him !"
This is the junkiest of all statements I have seen from you. How well do you know what I have read?
Again the issue is, who creates these sentiments in people. A role model of Rama was constructed by Thulasidas to give a guideline to people through "Ramacharitha manas" and so is the case of "Adyathma ramayana" . Both where interpretations of Valmiki Ramayana in which Rama is not the idol as found in those later works. It was a social need at an hour of decay. When Ezhuthachan calls "kadhaya mama kadhaya mama, kadhakalathi saadhram, kakasya leelakal keettal madhi vara", did he actually called a bird to tell the story. NO. It was done for a purpose and a good purpose. After years when that cause is forgotten and people are manipulated to be concerned about those symbols like "sharika paithal" and somebody comes up with a movement to break all houses which keeps parrot as a pet (I personally disagree with caging birds, but here it is not issue- Parrot alone because of Adhyathma Ramayanam), that becomes the extremity of nonsensibility. This is what is happening now.
"Kumkumathinte gandhamariyathe
Kumkumam chumakkunnathu poole dharbhagam" as Poonthaanam said.
"you mention and quote from some book to cite examples, please understand that Kuttikrishna Marar,Howard Zinn ,Milan Kundera ,Richard Dawkins, are all part of this world(just few ), but either they are final word for anything(As you quoted what Anand said ).
First you read the religious texts after removing your shades of critisism."
I never said they are last words, but that there are many people who differ and your is not the only (or right) perspective. And all those who does some of those serious publications are more knowledgeable than you atleast.
I quoted Kundera in a different context too. It was to give an example to a point. Counter it with a point than banter.
I believe NO BOOK or PERSON is a last word. It applies to all; to scriptures too. Science never makes the lastword claim.
And FYI, I started reading scriptures while as a believer. It was much later that I found inconsistancies and anachronism in them. It wasn't any Marxist ghost that made me see them and it doesnot require a Marxist spectacle too. Still you preaching those is tolerable to me; but I differing is "vanity" according to you (which I am not bothered). So who is more tolerant atleast here?
@Rajan,
Your comments about the other two religions may be true.But Hinduism never tells any of its followers to attack non believers. The very concept of Hinduism is "Vasudhaiva Kudumbakam" which means the whole world is a family.
No other religion in this world has such a beautiful concept. Hindu's have always accepted other religions like an ocean receiving water from various rivers. Its this very concept which allowed other religions to come and spread in India. If they are feeling frustrated due to idol worship and other Hindu customs, its not the fault of Hindu's.
@Rajan,
Your 'great' MF Hussain has got only negative publicity through this blog. Had he exhibited these paintings along with protests from different sections, he would have got a sympathy wave across the country.
MF Hussian is a painter. He can paint anything he wants. No one has the right to stop him. It's his canvas, his paint, his country, his commercialism, his painting, his career, his money-making. If you can put up a blog with your opinions, he can paint a painting with his opinions. A nude woman is not always pornographic but sometimes a sign of beauty and purity, don't forget. I'm very sorry you wasted your time on this blog and 427 people wasted their time typing supportive comments. Oops, even I wasted my time typing my disagreement.
See you in hell.
MF Hussian is a painter. He can paint anything he wants. No one has the right to stop him. It's his canvas, his paint, his country, his commercialism, his painting, his career, his money-making. If you can put up a blog with your opinions, he can paint a painting with his opinions. A nude woman is not always pornographic but sometimes a sign of beauty and purity, don't forget. I'm very sorry you wasted your time on this blog and 427 people wasted their time typing supportive comments. Oops, even I wasted my time typing my disagreement.
See you in hell.
This is not art!!! These are sinful waste!! And for that, the so called "great artist" gets honored. Not only him (i don't even like to spell his name) but also those people who selected him for award are equally involved in this sinful act! They are not eligible to be called as Indians! Useless fellows!
@Holy Donkey, your name itself tells about you, so we are not expecting much more than you scribbled here.
@Ayyappadas - i'm blessed with your words of wisdom. again you came with another bundle of junk arguments, and you consider yourself as a chap with sacks of knowledge.
as you are always inclined to the 'LEFT', you can't escape from the nonsenses that you are preaching here.that i realized from your self proclaims. many europe and soviet.
still i think, the IIM Lucknow has much reputation and INTER NATIONAL visibility than your institute. i may not read all the books. God blessed men with an ultimate tool - commonsense. that i have enough with me. thats only tool a human need to understand whats going on around him. thats worthier than anything in this world.
Dear son Ayyappadasa,
I have started started reading long before you were born and the difference is,you want to impress others with quotes and I am not.
Dear son, you are too young to question my knowledge & I always believe I know nothing.
I have a vast collection of books in my own library starting from The Vedas to Kovoor, M.O.Joseph & Edamaruku. I have travelled a lot,from the Himalayas to the South, many countries like Europe, China, HongKong,Central America, Australia, Singapore & SriLanka. Have lived in caves & forests, have been lucky enough to be closely associated with people like Swami Chinmayananda ( in fact I have signed as a witness to the deed of Chinmaya Mission school in Trivandrum ), Joseph Edamaruku, Kirpananda Wariyar, M.P.Manmathan, Guru Gopinath, P.N.Panicker, Dr.Richard Bradnock (editor of World Book Encyclopedia),Shiv Khera.....to name a few. I have stayed with Tribals in the deep jungles, have lived with Naxalites, have met & talked with people like the Late Badaruddhin Vavar(Sabarimala) and also have a group of good Muslim (even from Pakisthan), Christian, Sikh & Parsi friends.
I do not claim to know everything in this world & I always believe I know nothing. Have you heard about the frog in the Well. I believe this World is a Well and I am a nobody living here knowing nothing.
Still I respect others sentiments & wish everybody does the same.
Please answer me just one question very honestly.( I do not wish to hear your quotes & references).Just tell me honestly,
WHAT PURPOSE DID HUSSAIN SERVE BY HURTING A SECTION OF PEOPLE ?(IF YOU THINK THEY ARE GETTING HURT FOR NO REASON, I TELL YOU THATS NOT FOR YOU TO DECIDE)
WHAT PURPOSE THE GOVERNMENT SERVE BY AWARDING HUSSAIN?
WHY GO FOR ARGUMENTS TO DEFEND SOMEBODY WHO HURT MILLIONS?
ISN'T IT BETTER BE CAREFUL & DESIST FROM HURTING THE SENTIMENTS OF OTHERS THAN TO DELIBERATELY DO IT & TRY TO DEFEND IT ?
(You being so interested in reading, I suggest you read Paul Bruntons , A Search in Secret India)
Holy Donkey,
Only one request.Please don't be an insult to donkeys.
Ayyappadasa,
"Kumkumathinte gandhamariyathe
Kumkumam chumakkunnathu poole dharbhagam"
Let me correct it. It's,
"Kumkumathintey gandham ariyathey
Kumkumam chumakkum poley gardhabham"
IT PRICKS ONLY WHEN IT PRICKS 'You"
Dear Rajan...
I will share with you an experience that happend a year ago. I was participating in NDTV's We the People with Barkha Dutt. And Barkhaji, as you may know is a liberal vadi...
She told in the show that "Sania is my icon for this decade"
and asked me "rahul easwar, being from new generation, what is your view about Sania, Why are fundamentalists creating problem"
I told Sarcastically " I really like and appreciate Sania for the way she dress and I THINK FUNDAMENTALISTS should not create "unnecessary" troubles.
BUT THEN IF I HAD A SISTER, AND SHE DRESSED LIKE THAT, I WOULD HAVE GIVEN A TIGHT SLAP AND TOLD HER NOT TO WEAR SUCH SKIN-TIGHT DRESS AND TO DRESS MORE DECENTLY
IF I HAD A DAUGHTER, I WOULD HAVE ONLY ALLOWED HER TO PLAY TENNIS WITH MORE DIGNIFIED DRESSING STYLE
IF SANIA WAS MY WIFE, I WOULD HAVE TOLD HER, NOT TO DRESS PROVOCATIVELY AND DONT TRY TO BE "ANNA KURNIKOVA OF INDIA" BY HER PHOTO SHOOTS
SINCE SANIA IS NO ONE TO ME...I REALLY LIKE THE WAY SHE DRESS AND NEVER MAKES A PROBLEM ABOUT THAT.
AND I ASKED HER this question..WIll you be comfortable if your own daughter exposes like this ?
AND YOU KNOW WHAT SHE TOLD...
SHE TOLD "I DONT KNOW, BY WHAT ARGUMENT CAN I STOP MY DAUGHTER FROM BEING WEARING REVEALING DRESS"
Dear Rajan and Holy DOnkey...You people always avoid personal questions. Always Remember all debates are ideological as well as individual
Remember this point..Dear Rajan..I also know and you also know that if some one draws our family members vulgar and ugly, we will protest. The only question is how much we consider our nation as family
i agree with loner
u can play a great role against acts as dis. well...by selectin such a mediumm.. ie thru the internet i don know how much effective it is..
@Friends,
here is some more proofs, please see M.F hussains 'ART'
http://h1.ripway.com/sparknine/index.htm
http://h1.ripway.com/sparknine/index.htm
http://h1.ripway.com/sparknine/index.htm
@Rahul,
please add these pictures, it again and again shows the real face of M.F hussains 'artworks'
http://h1.ripway.com/sparknine/index.htm
http://h1.ripway.com/sparknine/index.htm
@ayyappadasa,
i came across one of your testimonials in orkut, and it says
"a very well read,leftist,budhi jeevi(in every sense of the word),philosopher,die hard vodka fan,nowadays a chain smoker(The flesh is weak!!),mechanics funda..both quantum and condom...,a true risk taker(see the risks he has taken with his career!!) everything coupled into one;you get Ayyappadas,or Ayyappan as he is fondly called."
it sounds good, and now i can realize why you are here, and whats your motive. thank you brother, keep it coming...
i thought these kind of creatures were ended by the middle of 80's.
i've a humble advice to you...
"ente kunje, ithoke kurechu kazhinju angu maarum..like mohan lal's dialog - NEE VERUM KUTTIYANU"
.ee prayathil ingane palathum vakathirivu illathe pareyum, prevarthikkum..viplavam oke kollam, pakshe athu ninte swetham veedinu thee vechittu akaruthu..."
I dont know u personally. But I am a proud INDIAN with all sorts of emotion and fellings towards my country.. But all these are known to the top officials too.. How about putting effort to show the public opinion of INDIANS against giving such a remarkable honour to a guy with 0% respect towards the beliefs of a majority which belongs to the most ancient and well treasured culture & tradition... I am there to fight with you...
I dont know u personally. But I am a proud INDIAN with all sorts of emotion and fellings towards my country.. But all these are known to the top officials too.. How about putting effort to show the public opinion of INDIANS against giving such a remarkable honour to a guy with 0% respect towards the beliefs of a majority which belongs to the most ancient and well treasured culture & tradition... I am there to fight with you...
@James
Thanks for the correction.
i've a humble advice to you...
"ente kunje, ithoke kurechu kazhinju angu maarum..like mohan lal's dialog - NEE VERUM KUTTIYANU"
.ee prayathil ingane palathum vakathirivu illathe pareyum, prevarthikkum..viplavam oke kollam, pakshe athu ninte swetham veedinu thee vechittu akaruthu..."
Although, it did not sound humble (by the way you reacted throughout), thank you for the advice.
I respect other people's privacy and so I try not to make a mock of them. You have breached a fundamental ethics about conduct, by publishing (or should i say spying) from my orkut profile, which is irrelavant here. You still are proud about being "bhaaratheeya samskaaram"; you preach about "ethics" and you criticise Hussain for breaching it!!! My brother, my suggestion to you is please practise what you preach and then bark.
Regarding what I should be, let me be the judge of it. Regarding what my motives are, you are not the judge.
You can shout at the periphery of arguments; use blanket terms (nonsense .. etc) and all it shows is how prejudiced you are.
I am not here to debate about the merit of ISI kolkata Vs IIM Luknow. I think people who know about it understand it. It is irrelavent to this discussion too. You asked for my clarification by the earlier comment.
@Anuj,
I never challenged your experience or expertise in spiritual/social exposures. But there is a rule applicable to all. You should not indulge into commenting about things where your domain knowledge is too weak. Before, branding science as rubbish (if you intended) and commenting about scientist's beliefs (where you slipped), you should have read and thoroughly understood about what science is and what it is not.
I quote to substantiate a point. Obviously, I quote from my knowledge and understanding. Mine is far from being perfect. Nobody's knowledge is perfect and I doubt whether the concept of perfection is a human weakness/"default nature". But being judgemental is too immature even for an experienced person.
You can reflect up on somethings, throughout this discussion how many times have you breached the very ethics you claim to hold and by way of which you oppose Hussain? If you cannot hold on to that, why make this hue and cry. How many times have you tried to attack individuals than ideologies? How many times have you tried to jump into conclusions about what others think? How many times have you branded people with blank statements (like they all belong to that same ......... category)? How prejudiced have you people been?
This page itself is a testimonial to "adherance to ethics" vs "struggle against unethical".
holy donkey and jayakrishnam
don't challenge my culture. i a from a very cultured background but to deal with uncivilised hooligans like u ayyapadas and rajan and also that m....f...hussain..
sometimes we need to come to such lower levels otherwise u so called cultured (???) people keep on arguing with nonsensible debates.
I am sure all hindus and our countrymen will unite to support rahul and his good intention.
Monae Ayyappadasa,
I asked you to be honest and answer a question,which you have deliberately avoided.
How can you say that my domain knowledge in science is weak? Isn't it your arrogance and inflated ego that makes you believe so?
Anyway, I have the same to tell you. Please do not comment on things where your domain knowledge is weak.You read The Vedas, Upanishads, The Bhagavat Gita, The Holy Bible and The Holy Quran after removing your shades of critisism before commenting about religion & God.
I wonder where you found me 'slipping'while commenting about scientists beileifs.
You named a few scientists who are non-believers, why should I try to name the thousands who are believers when it is clear from your list that all others than those whom you named are believers in religion or God.
"How many times have you tried to attack individuals than ideologies? How many times have you tried to jump into conclusions about what others think? How many times have you branded people with blank statements (like they all belong to that same ......... category)? "
Are you hurt by my attack of those individuals ? Did you feel my attack on those individuals were related to their ideologies?
What a joke !!!
A person like you who talks defending Hussain and blaming the protestors here, feels it's inappropriate and protests when I attack the leaders of his ideology !!! Please open your eyes and think clearly. (Too much of Vodka & beedis? )
Saw your comment in reply to Mr.James-
" I respect other people's privacy and so I try not to make a mock of them. You have breached a fundamental ethics about conduct, by publishing (or should i say spying) from my orkut profile, which is irrelavant here. You still are proud about being "bhaaratheeya samskaaram"; you preach about "ethics" and you criticise Hussain for breaching it!!! "
You respect other peoples privacy ? Then for what purpose where you barking here all these days to defend a moron who breached it & hurt millions ? You were hurting others questioning their faith and mocking religion & God .
Your orkut profile is public ,anybody can see them and you have proudly displayed such a testimonial ! While you support Hussain you have no right to protest if you feel offended.(You feel offended?)
James,
I happened to see the blog of another Hussain fan who used abusive language here against this blog & the protests. I do not wish to reveal that 'great' souls name because he does not deserve that attention to have people check his blog for that reason.
It proudly displays his creativity, a poem titled, "I drank too much the other day" and its verses ?
Just see-
"dead body of my old girl friend
body of my new girl friend
my own childhood
kurt cobain
ee cummings
the beggar who raped my mother
my mother
many more sounds"
The government should give immediate free psychiatric treatment to Hussain & his fans.
"A person like you who talks defending Hussain and blaming the protestors here, feels it's inappropriate and protests when I attack the leaders of his ideology !!!"- I have never agitated against any of your remarks against "leaders" of other ideologies. Of course, some of it were clearly out of context.
I have never said, religious people to be fools or stupid. I disagree with their beliefs and I have the right to. Is that denigration? I do not have faith in your ideology of God, does it denigrate Hinduism or any religion?
Quoting from another person's profile, and that too when it is of no consequence here, was not any ideological move from your side. It was a plain personal attack.
Now, it was you who were agitating against Hussain breaching the social conduct. How come you do the same and claim that you are against that? The individual me is not relavent here, let me be X, Y or Z, what makes you concerned about that? Did I use this forum to throw dirt on RSS/BJP (although I completely differ from their views)? I was not agitated when you put Kerala Govt./CPI(M, but atleast many of those were out of context. I did not shout slogans.
It was you who did all these. Now, let me ask you, how consistent are you with your own ideals?
Anuj, you were again slipping when it came to the question of science.A brute majority of the pioneering physicists who worked/is working in modern physics are non-relgious. If you have not come accross their views, it is not my fault and you can stop with a blanket argument. I have no ill feelings against scriptures, but I won't agree if you claim that they are utimate and unchallengeable. And be aware that there were people who had lived as a rationalists till their end. Even Gautama Buddha, could be considered as one. Therefore, not all who are critical about scriptures are oblivious about what they mention. I do not claim to have mastered them, but certainly has pondered a little bit. So is keeping the book open and you claimed that since you have had so much experiences and exposures, you have realised that religion is greater than science, which I thoroughly disagree for the moment.
"You respect other peoples privacy ? Then for what purpose where you barking here all these days to defend a moron who breached it & hurt millions ? You were hurting others questioning their faith and mocking religion & God .
Your orkut profile is public ,anybody can see them and you have proudly displayed such a testimonial ! While you support Hussain you have no right to protest if you feel offended.(You feel offended?)"
The answer given above. There is a big difference between disagreement and mocking.
Was there any ideological reason why you had to quote from my profile? Reason, I mean. My profile was in orkut and not in blogspot. I am not depressed because you quoted, for it was me who kept it there. But your motive was not sane. And regarding Vodkas and beedi's, let me just put this -none of your business.
Regarding never being critical of "beliefs", I had quoted a hypothetical example of Ezuthachan's "sarika". That is what I am against. In a democrazy, we need not always agree but there need be norms regarding how to project your disagreement. That makes it far better than autocrazies and theocrazies.
Somebody even commented to "kill Hussain" and very many are in favour of manhandling him. You can protest, file PIL's or conduct peaceful demonstrations, but the line of arguments in here was not for those. I don't know what you are up to, but again this site was calling up on .. ALL CHRISTIANS, HINDUS, MUSLIMS, SECULARISTS, COMMUNISTS .. to protest and here is an open comment section. That obviously imply people who differ can also register their views. So when you have called all people, why are you bothered about a person's political views?
I have not created a blog, when you quoted about Nayanar or anybody. You have the right to form your opinions about a person and register it. But it was out of context. So was the case of James quoting from my orkut profile. Again I won't bother to post another blog regarding his "low standards" of discussion ethics. You can ask yourself whether it had anything to do with the ongoing discussion. James started the whole episode of targetting people individualy with his first reply itself. Let him have his own opinions about me and I am not concerned. But what prompted you to put it here? Isn't that a political prejudice? You need not reply to me for that fact is very obvious and then by that you have went against your own ideals and therefore inconsistent.
@ Ayyappadasa,
"I do not have faith in your ideology of God, does it denigrate Hinduism or any religion? "
That does not denigrate Hinduism or any other religion, but you have defenitly attempted to do that with your comments to support Hussain.
"Quoting from another person's profile, and that too when it is of no consequence here, was not any ideological move from your side. It was a plain personal attack."
Why does that bother you being a staunch Hussain supporter? Nobody has done anything worse than what he did, and you are defending him while critisising the person who quoted from your profile.Remember, the people who are offended with Hussains paintings feel the same.
"Anuj, you were again slipping when it came to the question of science.A brute majority of the pioneering physicists who worked/is working in modern physics are non-relgious"
Thats the biggest joke I have ever heard ! I am not slipping away from that question. You have only a few names to mention & its quite evident that all others are religious. That needs no mention to name all the others,there are thousands.
"But your motive was not sane. And regarding Vodkas and beedi's, let me just put this -none of your business."
Anybody came figure out your saneness and your motives of meddling in here. I have the same to tell you about the protests here and the way you try to defend Hussain- It's none of your business. If you disagree with what we do, just be in your den drinking Vodka , smoking beedis & reading junk.
"Somebody even commented to "kill Hussain" and very many are in favour of manhandling him. You can protest, file PIL's or conduct peaceful demonstrations, but the line of arguments in here was not for those. "
Is that what the Communists are doing for protests? ( Don't again try to shy away from your inclination because you stand exposed of your ideological stance)
Also let me quote one of your earlier comments : "If todays law is anachronistic and society stagnant a person might need to even break it to prove a point."
"James started the whole episode of targetting people individualy with his first reply itself"
Hindus feel Hussain has been targetting them, so you too have similar sentiments when it is a personal matter of yours !
Don't you think Hussain is being LOW STANDARD in doing such paintings?
Monae Ayyappadasa,You are a big hypocrite worth to make a dirty manipulative politician. You are an active communist and you come here disguised, preaching tolerance ! A wolf in sheeps attire. You can take up matters like the police firing of poor protestors in West Bengal, the party's intolarence towards the Press in Kerala and also the freedom people enjoy in China.
I am still to get a reply for one of my earlier comments ( you seem to deliberately avoid answering it)
I repeat :
WHAT PURPOSE DID HUSSAIN SERVE BY HURTING A SECTION OF PEOPLE ?(IF YOU THINK THEY ARE GETTING HURT FOR NO REASON, I TELL YOU THATS NOT FOR YOU TO DECIDE)
WHAT PURPOSE THE GOVERNMENT SERVE BY AWARDING HUSSAIN?
WHY GO FOR ARGUMENTS TO DEFEND SOMEBODY WHO HURT MILLIONS?
ISN'T IT BETTER BE CAREFUL & DESIST FROM HURTING THE SENTIMENTS OF OTHERS THAN TO DELIBERATELY DO IT & TRY TO DEFEND IT
My views are inclined to left, but I had repeatedly said that I'm no party member. Neither am I any avouched supporter for all causes. Now, I don't intend to supply you any proof for that. Violence is an offense, whether Kerala, WB or China does it. When have I supported it? When I have praised China? (In fact, in many a discussions in orkut, I have only criticised them) All authorities including left, right and centre have resorted to violence against their own people and being a certain ideology won't justify them.
With regarding to your great questions, the links below explains it and that is my stand too. If you expected YES/NO answers, I am sure that even you know that all answers cannot be given as YES/NO without explanations.
http://www.cds.caltech.edu/~nair/husain.php
http://sujaiblog.blogspot.com/2006/05/mf-husain-and-nude-paintings.html
Now, I understand that you won't agree that you were never practising the ethics which you say Hussain should have practised. But the fact remains. You are too hypocritical even there.
Now I understand one thing. Your purpose here is to amass support for your fundamentalist ideolgies and possibly hijack Indian/Kerala polity to yet another "theocrazy" kind of rule.
Then with respect to that strawmen arguments regarding beliefs. I defintely know that you can give me 10 theoretical physicst's (let us say nobel laurettes) who are ardent religious persons. Let us talk about that if you can. And regarding the thousand others, if you are so sure why not mention a few, possibly with their views.I know that a few scientists of high repute are religious but larger picture is different atleast with respect to religiousness.
Last, since your reading stuffs alone are so great and deep, the lesser mortal in me will be happy with the "junk" I have. Well obviously, we have a great bunch of philosophers who alone should decide what is junk and what is not. I think you still dream about bringing back "dark ages".
@Ayyappadas
"Now I understand one thing. Your purpose here is to amass support for your fundamentalist ideolgies and possibly hijack Indian/Kerala polity to yet another "theocrazy" kind of rule."
I understand your purpose here is to defend the governments decision just because it is a Left wing ministry in rule.
"And regarding the thousand others, if you are so sure why not mention a few, possibly with their views"
Dear son, a religious person does not mention his belief without reason as a non-believer do & you know that very well .
Give me a honest,simple answer
I repeat :
WHAT PURPOSE DID HUSSAIN SERVE BY HURTING A SECTION OF PEOPLE ?(IF YOU THINK THEY ARE GETTING HURT FOR NO REASON, I TELL YOU THATS NOT FOR YOU TO DECIDE)
WHAT PURPOSE THE GOVERNMENT SERVE BY AWARDING HUSSAIN?
WHY GO FOR ARGUMENTS TO DEFEND SOMEBODY WHO HURT MILLIONS?
ISN'T IT BETTER BE CAREFUL & DESIST FROM HURTING THE SENTIMENTS OF OTHERS THAN TO DELIBERATELY DO IT & TRY TO DEFEND IT
Hmm.. it seems you were too busy to read these ... Fine.
1)"WHAT PURPOSE DID HUSSAIN SERVE BY HURTING A SECTION OF PEOPLE ?(IF YOU THINK THEY ARE GETTING HURT FOR NO REASON, I TELL YOU THATS NOT FOR YOU TO DECIDE)"
Agreed, I am not the person to decide what you should be hurt and what not, in all its democratic sense (if you respect it). But there is one thing to be understood regarding being hurt and proclaiming a violent war against people who had hurt you (if at all)- we both, being hurt and the one who hurt share a same space of freedom.
so here is the line of incidents.
From wikipedia, it says the paintings where from 1970's and put in his restricted personal galaries (where it is only intended to be viewed by people concerned about his school of art or art in general). Nothing happened till early 90's! Suddenly a publication makes an issue out of it. This continous propaganda gains momentum amidst a lot of incidents that have affected the polity of N. India (remember Ayodhya!). So the "nude diety" paintings becomes an issue all of a sudden.
Now this question is important. Who made the issue and why? What interpretation he/she gave? The God/Godess symbols in Indian mythology were always alegorical unlike any semitic traditions. You can assume your God in the form you want to worship or respect. It is not a majority vs minority right, but a fundamental beauty of this culture. This old man has claimed to have been inspired by this culture. He has done hundreds of paintings which are inspired by the beauty of those myths. Out of which a few odd 10 ones are "vulgar" by your definition, although by Hindu traditions itself there has been very many instances of depicting dieties in bare human form, depicting more subtle meanings.
So who has breached what? He had appologised when made such a big issue, while for 20 years there wasn't any issues? So whose sensibilities are actually in question unless and untill you tell and propagate to them that this is denigration? So do you want Indian traditions to be interpretted as mere monolithic symbols?
After 20+ (now more than 30 in fact)years, you campaign to people to realise them that you are hurt by an old man (if not anything amazing). It is not in fact the years, but the very fact about you oblivious about those then and now coming to it that stands out for one. The next is the well planned silence you maintain about his other paintings regarding, Indian myths. Why this selective amnesia?
So what to do? Kill him! Or kick him badly so that he cannot even raise his paint brush!
To quote from a link I mentioned
"Why does he only paint Hindu Gods and Goddesses then ? And why nudity ?
This is not true. He has painted themes across the whole spectrum of Indian philosophies. Its just that people who want to demonize him have focussed on a small subset of his works. Hindu epics are so vast, so complex, so ambiguous that its not very difficult to cast any given situation, whether ancient or modern in these epic imageries. Regarding nudity, let me quote Husain himselves: "In art, nude figures mean purity, you see them in our temples." Here is my take on nudity. If a nude picture makes you hard or wet, that only reflects your thought process. (Recall the Sukhabrahman-Vyasa story or the Two Buddhist Monks Crossing the River story ). It has nothing to do with the painting. In art forms, nudity also represents without ego, without ignorance, without illusions and any other human made coverings. The purest form in Nature and as innocent as a new born baby. "
Let us say as an INDIAN he is better attached to Indian myths and an artist he finds its allegorical meanings better contexts for his work, why you are not allowing him the same freedom NOW? (remember M.T. in Kerala took this privilage and many giants before) Is it because he was a born muslim? He even had an exhibition predominantly up on the themes from Mahabharatha. Does that reflect a perverted Hindu hating- Indian hating INDIAN????? Go for the wildest of your imaginations.......
WHAT PURPOSE THE GOVERNMENT SERVE BY AWARDING HUSSAIN?
If the question is purpose, I wouldn't find any fault to award to his merit as an artist. If the question is timing, the reply and clarification should first come from you. 20+ years of oblivion (about these) + (mis)quoting and even modifying captions of paintings when you (or anybody) started the campaign .... Any reasons for fooling people?
Ref: http://www.cds.caltech.edu/~nair/husain.php
So if that is not so and it was Hussain, indeed who HATED HINDUS AND DEPICTED IT THROUGH HIS PICTURES TO DENIGRATE THEM, TARNISH THE IMAGE OF THEIR GOD/GODESSES PURPOSEFULLY, DEMEAN THEIR EXISTENCE, HE SHOULD BE ACCUSED OF BEING A RACIST. IF THAT UNDOUBTEDLY IS THE CASE, I WON'T ATTIRBUTE ANY GREATNESS TO HIM.
WHY GO FOR ARGUMENTS TO DEFEND SOMEBODY WHO HURT MILLIONS?
ISN'T IT BETTER BE CAREFUL & DESIST FROM HURTING THE SENTIMENTS OF OTHERS THAN TO DELIBERATELY DO IT & TRY TO DEFEND IT
Let me put this
"Finally, I think the notion that something needs to be banned or censored because it hurts people's beliefs, whether it religious, political or some other belief, is flawed. Having such a law restricts freedom of thoughts and expression and also suppresses creativity and vibrancy. It also gives politicians a sharp and dirty tool to use it to their own purposes. Some examples which come to my mind are
* Congress blocks blogs because their content "hurts" them.
* Aubrey Menon's Rama Retold is banned because it "hurts" Hindu sentiments.
* Seven states in India bans Da Vinci because it "hurts" some Christians.
* BJP bans movies by Rakesh Sharma on Godhra and Anand Patwardhan on Nuclear Tests.
* West Bengal bans Tasleema Nasreen's writings because it "hurts" some politicians.
* The teleserial "Bible Ki Kahaniyan" came under fire because it potrays Abraham, who is considered a prophet according to Koran. Hence, NO ONE should potray him in images (or cartoons for that matter).
* Congress bans Salman Rushdie's book because it "hurts" muslim sentiments. As a side note, India banned it even before Iran declared its fatwa. During the same Rajiv Gandhi government, The Last Temptation of Christ is also banned.
* Violent riots erupt in Kerala (with incentives from Churches) following the release of a play scripted by P. M. Antony based on Nikos Kasantasakis’ famous novel The Last Temptation of Christ."
The freedom that you enjoy to publish this blog and me to comment; the one you are confident in utilizing to protest is not granted as such. It is granted by a democratic system, where the rule is that there is prize to pay for this freedom by virtue of social dynamics; you might encounter somethings which are of not your liking (if at all). There is a legal framework which enables you to challenge, when a basic freedom defined by the charter of human rights and assimilated into Indian constitution is defined (as I understand). It includes your right to sue a person for denigrating a real person and when allegories are used (as it always were used in a subjective sense and are not JUST YOURS) and further with no intention to target any group or individual, you have to accept them as a freedom of an individual.
Is it necessary that you need to like and approve every freedom that exists arround you?
My friend used to listen to "Eminem", which is a band that is too fond of a word "fuck" with other rhythmic parental phrases attached. I never liked it, but I have no right to say that he shouldn't hear that and never did that. May be there are people who find music and rhythm with it; who am I to impose up on them? I am not the authority to dictate his taste of music but I can ask him to reduce the volume. Also I cannot put "venkiteshwara suprabatham" early morning if that disturbs him. This alone is the question here.
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Can I put a nude poster on a huge billboard? If the society allows it, I can (like in Europe) and if the society feels offended (like in India), we should take it out. Can an artist paint nude figurine of anyone including a goddess? Of course he can! But can he showcase it in a public place? Of course not- if it offends certain sections of people. But can he put it in his place? Of course yes, and can he invite his friends and patrons to come in and look at it? Of course yes. There is no one forcing anyone to see it without one’s consent.
So, why should it bother anyone if MF Husain paints nude paintings of Mother India and Durga and showcase it in an art gallery which is restricted to only those who want to look at it? This is where the intolerant, orthodox and conservative Indian masses kick in. The common man, who has no idea of what culture or heritage he once had, gets to say what an artist can do.
Ref: http://sujaiblog.blogspot.com/2006/05/mf-husain-and-nude-paintings.html
@Ayyappadasa,
"He had appologised when made such a big issue, while for 20 years there wasn't any issues?"
So you believe he apologised for something he did not do? I believe, somebody will apologise for something he did, only if he realise what he did is a mistake. For 20 years there wasn't much issues shows the tolerance of Hindus. Now the government, by way of declaring an award for him has again ignated it by further testing their tolerance .
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"The next is the well planned silence you maintain about his other paintings regarding, Indian myths. Why this selective amnesia?"
I PROTEST & REACT TO THINGS THAT HURT ME
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"So what to do? Kill him! Or kick him badly so that he cannot even raise his paint brush!"
That would have happened if he did the same in another country.In India,the same people who are keen to give him this award, the communists, would have done that to him if he painted Marx, Lenin or AKG in this fashion. Here were a protesting the governments decision for giving him Raja Ravi Varma award.
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"Regarding nudity, let me quote Husain himselves: "In art, nude figures mean purity, you see them in our temples."
It has nothing to do with the painting. In art forms, nudity also represents without ego, without ignorance, without illusions and any other human made coverings. The purest form in Nature and as innocent as a new born baby. "
Monae Ayyappa, why are you qouting that dumb morons words ? Just think with your own brain.
BY WHAT HE HAS SAID, IT SHOULD MEAN HIS MOTHER DAUGHTER AND THE PROPHETS DAUGHTER FATHIMA ARE NOT PURE !
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"If the question is purpose, I wouldn't find any fault to award to his merit as an artist. If the question is timing, the reply and clarification should first come from you. 20+ years of oblivion (about these) + (mis)quoting and even modifying captions of paintings when you (or anybody) started the campaign .... Any reasons for fooling people?"
May be you won't get hurt if Hussain paints your own mother in nude. May be you will appreciate his talent and do not question his merit if he is given an award for that. But we can't be such a senseless being like you. Misquoting & modifying captions ?
Tell me what were the real captions ?
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"Finally, I think the notion that something needs to be banned or censored because it hurts people's beliefs, whether it religious, political or some other belief, is flawed."
I can only say I think different and there are millions who think different. You have to realise, what you think may not be right.
DO YOU THINK HIS FREEDOM OF IMAGINATION & EXPRESSION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE SENTIMENTS OF MILLIONS? IF HE HAS THAT FREEDOM & IF HE MISUSES IT, WE HAVE THE FREEDOM TO OPPOSE IT.
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"It includes your right to sue a person for denigrating a real person and when allegories are used (as it always were used in a subjective sense and are not JUST YOURS) and further with no intention to target any group or individual, you have to accept them as a freedom of an individual."
You still fail to realise the fact that what you believe as unreal is considered real by millions.Not targetted towards any group ? I would have agreed if he painted his mother, daughter & Fathima the same way.
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"I never liked it, but I have no right to say that he shouldn't hear that and never did that.But can he put it in his place? Of course yes, and can he invite his friends and patrons to come in and look at it? Of course yes. There is no one forcing anyone to see it without one’s consent.
So dear son, Did Rahul sneak in to Hussains bedroom and steal Hussains pictures & display it here ? You may even defend him if he is in bed with his mother or daughter & invite his friends and patrons to witness it.
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"So, why should it bother anyone if MF Husain paints nude paintings of Mother India and Durga and showcase it in an art gallery which is restricted to only those who want to look at it? This is where the intolerant, orthodox and conservative Indian masses kick in. "
Why are you here dear son if these protests does not bother you ?
You belong to that "intolerant,orthodox and conservative Indian mass" ?
You are here protesting against the protests.
Dear Rahul,
Sorry for being late..
First of all, I don't know what is abusive language and what is not. So I speak like what I feel like speaking. I reapeat what I said in the first post. Hindu fanatism has caused this country very dearly. And I think this kind of blogs will do more damage.
You ppl have to understand one thing, it's not only hussain who enjoys the support of secularists but Taslima Nasrin also. So kindly understand that it is not about Hinduism or any other things..it's all about living free..
And kindly inform your 'brave' friends who tried to threaten me in a very 'decent' manner, to come up with there orginal name. Being anonymous is cowardness. And that's the way fanatics behave.
Atleast I had the guts to use my name..
@lateesh
you better to get away from this, because those topics we discussed a thousand times here..
Dear Latheesh,
You said,
"You ppl have to understand one thing, it's not only hussain who enjoys the support of secularists but Taslima Nasrin also."
Who is a true secularist ? We are not against Hussain because he is a muslim . He should have used his talents (if he has any) to cement communal harmony. Everybody would have loved him dear for being a true Indian.
The past President Abdul Kalam, artists like Bismillah Khan, Ustad Amjad Ali Khan, Zakeer Hussain, very many eminent personalities, writers, scientists & sportsmen (all muslims by religion) contribute so much to this country & make us proud.
The real trouble makers are the ones who deliberately does things to hurt the sentiments of a section of people in the name of creativity & the fake secularists who support them in the name of Freedom of expression.
Mr. Anuj.
I stop here.
You need not twist the facts. I never said Rahul stole the paintings but that these paintings were made issue after 20+ years with a clear communal agenda and that is quite understandable. Now you are showcasing them here (now freely available from net), with your own interpretations. The earlier link I mentioned mentions the change of caption (quoting sources).
Last let me remind you one thing, the same 'censorship' that you are demanding for this case might be applied to your case too, if somebody is concerned and then your ideas could also be termed "hurting". Even in that case, I do not support that, because in this nation I need not agree with you in all matters, but my or anybody's disagreement cannot alienate your rights. Exceptional conditions (like sensitive informations and security reasons etc) might be there, but I do not think this is one.
So bye. It has been quite long here.
@Ayyappadas,
Anyway it was a very good discussion, even though we cannot accept your arguments, still we respecting your spirit to uphold your beliefs.
Likewise, it is the matter of belief, if anybody hurt it knowingly or unknowingly its quite painful for others, who considered it as a part of their life.
Freedom is here for everyone, as we always says, responsibility should guide us when we enjoying our freedom.
If hussain is a responsible artist, he should think about the consequences which may arise due to this artwork.
Hi all
Recent past Mr.Shivaji Panicker deen of art faculty, Gujarat University was attacked by local goons. He was suspended from his post by the university authorities also. His crime? During an internal assessment of students one of his students made a painting of an Indian diety in a semi nude form. This hurt the sentiments of the local BJP MLA and his cronies. How they entered into college during an examination is unknown. That student also beaten up very badly and registered police case against him.
This is fascism in its worst form prevalent in Gujrat. Which is supported by state government also.
Do you want this should happen in Kerala also. All liberal vadi (Rahul's term) should unite and fight against this kind of evils.
Rajan chetta,
Athu sheri, puthiya vada mukhangalum aayi ezhunnallathu kollaaaam...
ennal najn oru karyam pareyatte...
veruthe irikkunna pattiyude annakkil kondu kai ittitu, kadikkanjittu veendum valya onakka pathal kondu kuthi kadi vangikkunathu enthina...? avanavante karyam nokki irunnal porey?
without any such causes, have you heard one such incidents against the kaladi sanskrit university principal by some PDP/communist activists?
"I never said Rahul stole the paintings but that these paintings were made issue after 20+ years with a clear communal agenda and that is quite understandable. "
Why do you try to project the 'issue' as something that happened late ? Hussain painted it; may be nobody knew it 20 years back. So what ? A crime becomes a crime only when it is exposed.
If a murder that happened 20 years back gets exposed now, it does not mean the murderer is innocent.
Communal agenda ? Thats what people like you, the pseudo-secularists want to portray it as. The protests would have been same if such painting is done by a Hindu artist. Here, the pseudo-secularists want to project it as if Hussain is being targetted because he is a muslim . That's wrong dear son !
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"Now you are showcasing them here (now freely available from net), with your own interpretations. The earlier link I mentioned mentions the change of caption (quoting sources)."
What interpretations for nudity ?
You quoted Hussain ,
"In art, nude figures mean purity, you see them in our temples."
It has nothing to do with the painting. In art forms, nudity also represents without ego, without ignorance, without illusions and any other human made coverings. The purest form in Nature and as innocent as a new born baby. "
That's the explanation/excuse for his nude paintings ? Why he didn't paint his mother, daughter & Fathima with that purity in mind ? Mother Therasa not pure?
The same person has painted Hitler in nude & he has openly expressed his hatred towards Hitler.
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"Last let me remind you one thing, the same 'censorship' that you are demanding for this case might be applied to your case too, if somebody is concerned and then your ideas could also be termed "hurting". "
It is not ideas that hurt, it's the depiction of those ideas through vulgarity that hurts. That is what that hurt me. If you can't even stand it when I relate the people who you love, for comparisson to make you realise how it pains; you have no right to defend Hussain. If you are not hurt by him it does not mean all those who are hurt are over reacting. It can also be your senselessness
GOD BLESS YOU DEAR SON !
@ Rajan
You are not aware of what happened in Vadodara. An Andhra native a student of Maharaja Sayajirao University, a so-called artist named
ChandraMohan did a painting of a huge cross with a nude Jesus Christ on it with his penis hanging out urinating into a commode .Another painting of his depicted Hindu Godess Durga vulgarly.
People of both Christian & Hindu community protested and the police arrested him on charges of hurting religious sentiments of Christians & Hindus.
Hope you can understand Chandramohan is not a muslim and he was not targetted by anybody with any 'communal agenda'.
Dear Anuj,
Thanks for making me understand the real incident. But I already had a discussion with Mr.Shivaji Panicker. So I am much more informed than you on this.
As I have already written this was part of a college exam. No public display. Local thugs forcefully entered there and created chaos. This should be condemned.
Silly comments made by James require no reply.
Hai Rajan..
If you are much more informed, then you would have known about Painting Jesus Chrsit vulgar.. and speaking to Mr.Panicker doesnt make any one more informed. We all have our own sources there in media and college.
And Chandramohan Sadly will become a great painter, a 'true' artist, a great rebel.
My god, forgive them, for they dont know what they are doing.
And Rajan ...I dont support violence. But if artists are not responsible and if the authorities are not taking strong actions, extremism will be the result.
I repeat "Liberty and responsibility" should go hand in hand.
In private or Public...Artistic freedom is not UNLIMITED and Subjected to reviews by the society its ethics and values and its responsibilities.
Artists should not be IMMATURE and ESCAPE FROM RESPONSIBILITY
The Hindu in India is faced with a unique situation. While he is theoretically part of a majority, he is so fractured ideologically speaking into various ideological groups that he is virtually powerless to influence the politics of the country. His adversaries know this. The entire burden of maintaining a secular state is placed on the hapless Hindu, when the real perpetrators of anti secular behavior lie elsewhere in the electorate.
The minority consistently appeal to their minority status to ask for special privileges, full well that the Hindu is powerless and is in reality has no more powers than the Muslim and is for all practical purposes a minority.Thats why the govt and ppl are hesitating to raise their voice against persons like hussains,l who hurted millions of hindu's beliefs.The situation has deteriorated to such an extent that no political party including the Bharatiya Janata Party will fashion an electoral platform to appeal solely to Hindutva sentiments. The Hindutva vote while considerable, is stuck currently at 23% and shows little signs of increasing, despite the palpable effects of the Hindu renaissance. In numerical terms this is the single largest ideological grouping in the country. However, little attempt is made by the strategic thinkers to coalesce other groups around this admittedly largest single group.
In contrast the attempt to garner Muslim votes is unabashedly anti-secular in tone and most of the parties fall over each other trying to appease this second largest group in India. The remainder of the Hindu population appears to be content to be reduced to second class status in the land of their forefathers. Of course the simple answer to this is that the Hindu should adopt a unified stand at least on those key issues that affect the exercise of their faith. However, one constant characteristic of the Hindu, throughout the ages, has been his inability to stay unified even when confronted by blatantly disruptive forces, that we had seen here in great Ayyappadasan, rajan, latheesh etc by some lame arguments like being inclined to the left right or middle.
@ Rajan,
Having a discussion with S.Panickar does not mean you are much more informed about it.
Whether it is a college exam or public display is irrelevant. If it is part of a college exam it might have disturbed and hurt the sentiments of many other students in that college.Else, how can people from outside get to know about it?
Mr.Rajan, you would have done the same (what you mentioned to be done by 'local thugs') if it was a painting of your dear ones that was displayed there, whether it's public or not.
Shivaji Panicker would have manhandled that student if he painted a picture of Shivaji Panickers mother or father in similar fashion as part of the exam.
I cant play offensive music loud in a street since it will cause inconvenience to others.....But I have all the rights to play the same offensive music in my headphones...If someone stops me from listening then they are interfering in my rights....
Similarly a nation doesn't have the right to say what an artist should paint.....It should be left to the discretion of the painter...
Two more points...
Firt its the Artist who is to decide what he has to paint.....Not a bunch of people discussing on public forums & certainly not those self proclaimed protectors of Hindu culture....So the question of would he paint his mother or sister nude will not arise....
Secondly if an artist "intentionally" does something just to defame a particular community in public it should be condemned.....The incident which happened in the Arts college in Baroda,Gujarat (where a few students were beaten up by the Bajrang Dal goons by entering the college premises while an internal assessment was going on) is the most moronic....It was an internal Assessment which was going on inside the walls of the University...It was not meant to insult or defame any particular section....So I just cant logic of those who r saying that students intention was to offend the Hindu's.....Absolute stupidity!!
For instance if I make a painting of a nude Goddess & hang it on the walls of my home that is not to defame any one....However if I hold public exhibitions of my work in different parts of the country people have the right to be offended...
Hi All,
I am really shocked to see this. We worship saraswati,lakshmisita,.. not only as godesses.. but as ideal women. "Bharatha streekal than bhavasudhi"-ye chodyam cheyyukayalle ivide cheythirikkunnathu... too bad.. i have better idea.. why dont we like minded people buy these pictures(i know it looks impossible to some extend.. But nothing is impossible) and destroy them? atleast we do have some duties and responsibilities to preserve our nation's heritage and culture. This is just a thought came to my mind when i saw this blog. Think about it, and i am always with you.
Sreerag
Jayakrishnan,
Then if some painter tries to paint another person's sister vulgar and nude. Can that person protest? OR will you still tell it is a matter of freedom. and all HUSSAINS PAINTING WERE FOR SELLING...I DIDNT TAKE IT FROM HIS HOME. IT IS THERE IN ART SHOPS AND INTERNET...IS this right according to You ?
I wholly agree with u Rahul.....but from my point the the so called jury who has selected the honourable Hussain should first get offended,its pathetic to shocase the explicitphotos of HINDU IDOLS,i feel awkward and embarassed
may be mr.Hussain's knowledge is limited to sex and lust..............this is not freedom of expression its madness
Dear Jayakrishnan,
In Maharaja Sayajirao University , Andhra native Chandramohan painted a huge cross with a nude Christ apparently urinating into a commode. Since Christ on the cross has traditionally been depicted in a loincloth, the painting caused consternation when seen by members of the public who had come to make purchases to patronise and encourage the budding artists. Shocked Christians like Catholic lawyer Mariam S. Dhabi and Methodist pastor Rev. Emmanuel Kant joined the Hindu community in protesting the paintings on May 9, 2007.
Dear Jayakrishnan, if people protest & if it is known that such paintings may hurt many people's sentiments don't you think they are intentional ? You think these artists are innocent than small kids ?
Please understand that to get offended is not a 'right'. Every human being gets offended when it happens to somebody dear to them.
Dont get me wrong...You have every right to get offended & in a democracy u have all the rights to protest just like Hussain has the to paint whatever he wants....My problem is with the way of protesting....Protesting is one thing,getting violent & beating up the artists is another...
No civilised man can support the acts in Baroda....It was an internal Assessment which was going on inside the walls of the University...Not a public exhibition!!period
I dont give two hoots about the communist govt led by Achu mama...It was their colleagues in Bengal weho banned Taslima nasreens book Dwikhandito & it was them who protested against the danish cartoonist who drew prohet Mohammed....This is height of hypocrisy to award Hussain with ravi Verma award...
HUSSAIN, TASLIMA and CONTROVERSY SEEKERS
HUSSAIN DOESNT HAVE RIGHT TO PAINT WHAT EVER HE WANTS...NO ONE IN THE NATION CAN DO "WHAT EVER" HE WANTS. NO FREEDOM IS ABSOLUTE JAYAKRISHNAN..
Every right is bound by duty, every freedom by responsibility. A free nation never means, eccentric nation...It is only because we are Indians, and He is in India, he is going like this. We are taught tolerance from childhood, let no irresponsible publicity seeker test our patience.
AND TASLIMA NASREEN IS A PERSON WHO CLAIMS TO HAVE WROTE FOR HINDUS WHEN RIOTS HAPPEND IN BANGLADESH...EVEN THEN I PROTEST HER
I have seriously studied her books. Another "MADHAVIKUTTY" WHO TAKES PRIDE IN EXPLAINING HER SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH HUSBAND's FRIENDS...Gives minute details about How all different MEN 'CELEBRATED' Her.
( remember what happend to Madhavikutty, THE WOMEN WHO WAS ALWAYS SHOUTING FOR LIBERALISM AND WOMEN SEXUALITY ENDED UP IN PURDAH)
I AM PROUD OF MY MUSLIM BROTHERS WHO DID BEAT HER UP...I KNOW THEIR WAY WAS NOT LAWFUL...BUT I WILL ONLY BE PROUD of THEM IF THEY GO TO JAIL FOR BEATING UP SUCH A THIRD RATE WRITER WHO "USES" and "UTILISES" RELIGION AND MORALITY for selling herself and her books.
WE BOTH HINDUS AND MUSLIMS Or CHRISTIANS AND BUDDHISTS belive in ethics in and beyond religion.
i agree with anuj nair..
people like jayakrishnam are hypocrites and not fit for our society. and the panel who selected hussain for this award is the main culprit.
Ayyo ithoru Marana Veedu poley aayallo... yathoru aaviyum anakkavum illa... Innu Rama Sethuvinte perum paranju behalam...
Ineeppo ennaanaaavo Sita Mata'kk vendiyullathu...
Friends,
Its a good news, Kerala High court stayed the award ceremony.
Read it...
http://www.mathrubhumi.com/php/newsFrm.php?news_id=1243899&n_type=HO&category_id=1&Farc=&previous=Y
Kerala HC stays award to MF Hussain
Kochi, Sept 12 (ANI): The Kerala High Court on Wednesday restrained the State Government from honouring the noted painter M F Hussain with the Raja Ravi Varma Award till further orders.
A Division Bench, comprising Chief Justice H L Dathu and Justice K T Shankaran after hearing a Public Interest Litigation (PIL) filed by Ravi Varma, a member of the erstwhile Cochin Royal family, issued the interim order. The petitioner in the PIL filed submitted that Hussain had 'abused' the freedom of under Article 19 of the Constitution by depicting Hindu Gods and Goddesses in a 'vulgar' manner, disregarding religious sentiments and feelings.
The PIL also contended that the recipient is not a native of the State of Kerala, and the award is being conferred to a 'stranger' in complete violation of the norms.
The controversial decision was also against the directive principles of Constitution of India to maintain harmony among the people, the PIL stated.
Rahul & other friends, Very good to hear this...let's work together for justice like this in future too..
The state govt ( 'art' fans ) may file another petition against this, so never ever stop our mission, lets proceed with our efforts to discourage and eliminate such anti social people so called artists.
The Kerala High Court on Wednesday stayed the Left Government's move to confer the Raja Ravi Varma Award on artist MF Husain.
This comes a day after a Maharashtra court issued an arrest warrant against the artist for depicting Hindu gods and goddesses in an objectionable way. The court had directed the Kerala Government to have Husain arrested if he turns up to receive its award on September 17.
The Kerala High Court ordered the stay following a PIL moved by a member of the Kochi royal family, contending that the Government had flouted norms in selecting Husain for the award.
The decision to give the award to Husain has been a deviation from past practice. The state Government had originally instituted this annual award in 2001 to honour outstanding Kerala painters and sculptors. The previous awardees were K G Subramanian (2001), M V Devan (2002), A Ramachandran (2003), Vasudevan Naboodiri (2004), Kanayi Kunhiraman (2005) and V S Valiathan (2006).
While staying the award to Husain, the court asked the state Government what criteria it had followed for granting the award meant for Kerala artists.
[ published in : in.news.yahoo.com/070912/48/6kopj.html ]
Dear Ayyappadas, Renjith-times...Rajan..and ALL OTHER DEAR FRIENDS
It is a victory for Justice. Once again the courts came to the rescue.
Please do open your eyes and see, The obeservations of KERALA HIGH COURT and Maharashtra COurt...Now realise that 'all rights are bound by duty, all liberty by responsibility '
MY DEAR FRIENDS..ITS INDEED A VICTORY...BUT ITS ONLY A BEGINNING..A BEGINNING OF FIGHT AGAINST ANTI-NATIONALS, ANTI-Cultural, and ANTI-Ethical, People who dont realise the value of our great and composite Culture and Nationalism.
Jai Hind
Saw the paintings...shocked...but more shocking than the paintings is the decision of the Kerala government to honour the artist...Kerala is a land of cultural heritage where religious values are respected so much...and it is insane that the government of that state is honouring an artist who hase corssed the heights of vulgarity...no nation in the world will allow the culture to be depicted in such a way...tomorrow the people of other nations will mock at us and question us about what values and cultures we feel proud of...in a country where women are respected due to their values...a man paints the naked body of the Goddesses...the government does nothing about it...Friends one question that arises in my mind and would like to ask all of you is that how can we expect the government to take action against the artist for painting the private parts of the respected Goddesses when that government does not do anything about the men who rape the girls and roam freely to repeat the crimes...the accused commit henious crime and are released on bail...what a shame...Why are we protesting when we know that the government is blind...why do not we action upon and change the scenario...we are young...educated...energetic...if we come together and unite we can change the world...let use get together and burn the paintings on the day of the award ceremony...no one can stop us...just do it
@MKS, you are correct...
It happends only in india, no where else...
BUT WE SHOULD CHANGE THIS...India is our nation, we are the youth here, never allow any morons to hurt the feelings of anybody.
Equal power will respect each other..
OUR TOLERANCE NEVER WORKS ANYMORE....
So, DO IT...
M.A baby and other ppl who selected this fellow should answer us.
OUR TOLERANCE NEVER WORKS ANYMORE....
OUR TOLERANCE NEVER WORKS ANYMORE....
OUR TOLERANCE NEVER WORKS ANYMORE....
congrats dear rahul easwar.
Indeed u took lead to protest against important issue and u did it in style. Our country needs people like u who really care for the sentiments of each and every citizen. Great decision by the court. Also congrats to all supporters who were on the right side. I am sure this fight does not end here. We need to tackle many more issues like this and seeing from this experience I hope and am sure there will be more and more leaders like you to stand up and shout.
At the same time it was a lesson to hardcore hypocrites like ayyapadas and rajans and zens and renjit times and vasus and nikhils and anees and many others.
regards..
JAI HIND..Jay Maharastra.
Rahul, great job! What Kerala needs is youngsters like you. I have been a silent supporter of all your intiatives, be it the homa or your live coverages. May the Lord support you in your fight for dharma!
http://dharma.indviews.com
Dear Rahul
Indian society is a delicately balanced one. We always try to highlight our so called tollerance and unity in diversity etc. But reality is not that. Indian courts are aware of this ground reality. So some time they have to take such decision. Future of Sethusamudram project is also uncertain.
So now what is the final decision?Is the award ceremony still on?
Why the govt and authorities(?) playing with hindu sentiments always?
Hinds are majority without any powers more than minorities in india, they are not united, thats why everyone is attacking them.
Nobody will ask, and if you question them against such an injustice many AVATAR's like Ayyappadasan, times will come and preach the baseless justifications.
Hindus are over tolerant, but if it continue so, the entire community will be wiped off from the globe.
@Rahul, so the award ceremony will not be there, right? if you can give a petition against the M.A baby and his subordinates in court.
they are calling people as ASS! or 'sundara viddikal'. at least we can prove its not like as they think..
The comments posted asking whether WOULD U TOLERATE IT IF THESE NUDE PAINTINGS WERE OF UR MOTHER,SISTER OR WIFE" and likewise seem to be quite a paradox.Very nice question to intimidate into our FEELINGS.I do not believe M.F. Hussain is a person who is already FAMOUS (or INFAMOUS?)needs such controversy to be introduced into the world of ART.
Well my dear fellow Patriotic Brothers and sisters,I beg u to open ur eyes and see the INDIA around u.Isnt our MOTHER INDIA really falling into this deep pit which Mr. Hussain is portraying.Instead of ásking HOW COULD HUSSAIN DO THIS,shudnt we be asking WHAT IS Mr. HUSSAIN TRYING TO SHOW US.The meaning of his paintings,I believe,is beyond what we JUST SEE.We are really going after the most dreaded western culture.People seem to be interested in picking up unnecessary controversies to be famous.
It is not high time that Indian culture and so called historical traditions drown into our deepest dreams.
If MF Hussain didn't mean to hurt feelings of others then why all the fuss? Its only he who knows it. And if he did it purposefully, he might have realised it by now that it was a very cheap act. The principles of Hinduism(Sanatana Dharma) Islam and Christianity is so strong and true that such publicity stunts can in no way touch it.
Look at the India around you. Its good to sit in front of a computer and type patriotic messages. But the need of the hour is something more than that.
'All Indians are my brothers and sisters' Why don't we spare atleast a few minutes for them? Do you REALLY think that you arguing about such things will in anyway help the poor and the downtrodden? Do you REALLY believe that it will help them get good food atleast once a day?
At every point of time, India has produced gurus/leaders(whatever you may call them), in the form of Swami Vivekananda, Mahatma Gandhi etc who have spread the message of love and peace worldwide.
What we need is a collective effort to change the situation, to empower the youth, to help people think freely. We need to fight against social evils like corruption. All that YOU need to do is to realise that you are as much responsible as anyone else and stop complaining about the bad things happening around you. For once, why not take up the responsibility?
Victory for Justice...
It is only a beginning...I pray to God to help us all in fighting injustice to any one, be of any religion or faith ; for
injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere - Martin Luther King
Abhilash...Look at those pictures..Hussain is the person who is a blindly westernised, anti-national person..think deeply about those paintings and you will know..
Let us all continue our fight...for "in the eternal fight between right and wrong, the matter is in which side you are"
Great rahul!
YES MF huss: is a BASTARD....
രാഹുല്,
താങ്കളിലുണ്ടൊരു ഭാരതീയന്,
താങ്കളിലിണ്ടൊരു സാമൂഹ്യസ്നേഹി,
പ്രതികരണശേഷി നഷ്ടപ്പെടാതിരിക്കട്ടെ, ആശംസകളോടെ... ഹരി
Pinneyyyy.... naattaardennu pirichu untaakkiya oru lecham roofaayum 100Rs polum vilayillaatha oru oattu kashnavum kodukkunnath "nirodh" aayappo ividulla hindukkalde ellaardem maanam rekshapettu...
nonsense...
Rahul, how can you state that this is the victory of justice? you tried to defend the honour of your family by fightin against this communist government & you got somewhat a fair result. Thats all.
Illathe chila kaaranavanmaar'm thaankalum koodi untaakki vecha Thanthri vivaadavum, Manthri vivaadavum, Manthra vivaadavum orukaalathu ividulla Hindukkalkku abhimaana prashnam aayirunnu.... annonnum ivide oru blog'm kandilla... athinekkaalum veluthonnum allallo 10 varsham munpu oru velyappan varacha chithrangal...
Ividulla chila manthrimaarkkum samskaarika naayakanmaarkkum M.F.Hussain enna mahaante koode ilichu kontu nikkunna kurachu photos edukkaan patiyilla... athu maathram aanu eee blog'nte laabhavum nashtavum.
As a hater of all those political ideologies...I'm sayin 'Well done Eashwer.'
Hearty Congrats Rahul, for the greatest initiative that you have taken! M F..... Hussain well deserves the capital punishment instead of the award. I think those idiots who nominated him for this award are the ones to be thrown out of our country.
Congratulations on your "victory", although by no measure I could see a "justice's" triumph. It was once again Indian court going by a wave. But who said world is just after all.
BTW, I am sure that you should be happy after the new Ram-Sethu" controvertsy, Indian courts (highly logical) verdicts, Karunadnidhi's statement and burning of buses and killing people. Kudos to that again. Spare no one who remarks about Ram and any religious symbols; capital punishment is the bare minimum sentence.
"Why the govt and authorities(?) playing with hindu sentiments always?
Hinds are majority without any powers more than minorities in india, they are not united, thats why everyone is attacking them.
Nobody will ask, and if you question them against such an injustice many AVATAR's like Ayyappadasan, times will come and preach the baseless justifications.
Hindus are over tolerant, but if it continue so, the entire community will be wiped off from the globe."
That was a wise statement from James and I am sure more wisemen would reenegize Hindus and uphold the greatness of India. Some would take affirmative steps like distribute Trishuls and even more great laws like banning cow-slaughter, teaching Vedic maths(I am sure the proponents of which have no real idea what mordern mathematics is and that it is not just some arithmatic and preliminary algebra ) from first standard, ban every single book and burn the libraries that stock books that criticises any religion (that has already happened in UP, in fact!), make sure that women doesnot go for working along with men (chastisity!! purity!! virginity!!) and so on. We will indeed have a golden future with those.
Anyway, Sujai (an active blogger, junior scientist) puts this "our sentiments are hurt" issue well in his blog.
http://sujaiblog.blogspot.com/2007/08/our-sentiments-are-hurt.html
In a post I even found Rahul lauding MIM activists for thrashing Taslima Nasrin (because accroding to him, she describes her extrmaritial relations in novels).... I wonder to which world are we moving- dark ages. So all "sentimentally hurt" people, accept my apologies. I wish to be called a misfit in your society. Atleast, I do not indulge in such vandalisms and try to cheat people in the name of religion, preach magical powers and so happy to be pseudo-secular, leaning to libertarian left and rationalist (which I understand for sure, you have no clue about)....
-Nothing more. But couldn't help posting this one.-
It's nice to see there are still enough of us out to protest. given the Kerala govt. minister's attack at hinduism, the award is just something else to collude with their Chinese bosses and the Italian madam. Only if all of Hindustan rose to protest. Secularism has cost us our religion, if it was against Jesus Christ or Islam there would be the press coverage, the fool that our PM would issue statements on how sorry he is that it happened and maybe Prathibha Patil would voice a comment too. There would be a huge ruckus in the Parliament, lots of apologies and accusations. But we are Hindus, our religion is being hurt. There should be a united move to counter anti-Hindu activities. Show them we still exist. A time will come when we the ever forgiving Hindu will rise to fight the oppression of the Communists and the so called secularists. Its not secularism they profess, its a perverted version of anti-Hinduism. Minority appeasement at it's worst. Jai Sriram. Keep fighting.
This really a sad thing to note.
I think a fundamental thing a religion should teach its people is, in first place to respect others beliefs.
His act is seriously condemned.
I WILL DELETE THIS BLOG AND APOLOGIZE IF YOU TAKE UP THIS CHALLENGE
D A R K A G E
Sri AYYAPPADASAN said "
" In a post I even found Rahul lauding MIM activists for thrashing Taslima Nasrin (because accroding to him, she describes her extrmaritial relations in novels).... I wonder to which world are we moving- dark ages.
So all "sentimentally hurt" people, accept my apologies. I wish to be called a misfit in your society. Atleast, I do not indulge in such vandalisms and try to cheat people in the name of religion, preach magical powers and so happy to be pseudo-secular, leaning to libertarian left and rationalist (which I understand for sure, you have no clue about).... ""
Ayyappadasan rightly said " I wonder to which world are we moving - Dark Ages."
DARK AGE....DARK AGE....DARK AGE...
When I said I protest Taslims who explains with sexual tittilation and cheap selling techniques, her sexual relations with her husbands friends...
AM I WRONG ??? IS TASLIMS RIGHT ???
IS AYYAPPADASAN RIGHT ???
Which is Dark Age...AYYAPPA...I am telling you with a lot of respect and affection...DO YOU SUPPORT TASLIMA....???DONT BE A LIBERAL, RATIONAL HYPOCRITE...
I DARE YOU, WILL YOU ACCEPT A WOMAN LIKE THIS AS YOUR WIFE ????
TOCUH YOUR HEART AND SAY YOU WILL
SUPPORT YOUR WIFE, IF SHE IS SO
FREE, LIBERAL, RATIONAL, VERY
LOVING TO ALL PEOPLE SHE MEET ON
THE ROAD,
IF YOU SAY "YES" with reasons...I WILL DELETE THIS BLOG AND THROUGH THIS BLOG ...WILL PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE TO YOU AND WITHDRAW ALL MY STATEMENTS....
I DARE....I CHALLENGE....
AND RENJITH....OR AYYAPPADASAN...OR RAJAN any one can take up the challenge...
It is great to be RATIONAL, but being rational is only one part, being EMOTIONAL is the other part.
Being Liberal is good, but being responsible is higher.
Being Secular is the best, and being PSEUDO - SECULAR is third rate, cheap, hypocritical intellectual SHOW OFF...
I STILL SAY I ADMIRE MY DEAR MUSLIM BROTHER WHO PROTESTED AGAINST THE THIRD RATE PUBLICITY MONGER, and a WOMEN WHO SELLS HERSELF FOR FAME - TASLIMA...Even if she writes a 100 books in support for HINDUS...TASLIMA SHOULD NEVER BE ACCEPTED...
"Religion is religion only when it has ethics, philosophy and spirituality " AND I AM SURE ALL HINDUS, MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS WILL ACCEPT AND RESPECT that
@Rahul
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". - Voltaire
Yet another "challenge" out of context.
Out of context because why should you believe Taslima or anybody doesn't have a right to exist/express, just because her sense of morality is different from yours or mine.
Nehru had many (alleged) extra marital affairs, but I still deem him to be the best prime minister India has seen; the only one who had a dream, vision and energy to try his best. You can disagree with his approaches, his ideals or even criticize his personal faults, but none of them are the subjects of discussion when you argue against my opinion. Now you can equally ask the question "how would you feel if he had been your father". But does that carry any sense? On that matter Gandhi was far from a good father to "Harilal", his first son.
Let Taslima be what she is, but I or you have no right to ban her freedom of expression because of that. Not even her husband has. If she has broken the promise they can part since marriage is again a promise and compromise. But there can be no death sentence for breaking it. We can have our opinions pertaining to that, but we cannot enforce them on others. Also being "unsuccessful/immoral" is some aspect of personal life does not imply he/she have no right to her other rights.
Are you 100% sure that you have NEVER erred by your own moral/social standards in any context?
My answer is straight: My marriage was never the discussion here, still for your satisfaction, I can vouch up on this- I wouldn't find such a lady my choice of a partner, but even if she happens to be a partner who betrayed me and so divorced, I will say that she has the right to express herself. That is undeniable.
"Do you dare talk like this about Islam, the Prophet or Mother Mary ? Do you dare express your freedom in public?"
In America we are allowed this type of Freedom. It has not destroyed us yet. American flag burning is considered a right of free expression.
Ayyappadas...an easy way to escape..I know...at one point of time every one thinks "freedom is the highest value " but dear, it is not. You will realise it later. I too was of your view point. You too will later change.
Dont think I am saying you will come my way. No ..what iam saying is you will come to the right way, the truth.
my mail id is rahulke@hotmail.com. I will send you some paragraphs from the 1st book i wrote. You will be shocked to read what i wrote. Looking back i am ashamed and regretting what i wrote in that book, which was considered by many in media as a revolutionary and futuristic work...
You are a man of knowledge, much more knowledgeable than me. I respect. But the real fact of life is that wisdom comes along with age and experience. Many a times bookish and thinking doesnt give many true insights into life.
I know your mind will not agree with me, But its ok..send me ur email..you are a promising youngster..god bless you
and there are many things in life which are deniable and which should be denied....
and when you know what can be denied, you realise the value of those which are allowed.
@Rahul
I did not try to escape. In fact, I believe I answered your question correctly to my conviction. It is fine if you think otherwise.
I have mailed to your id.
Ayyappadas, You cleverly escaped..Ask yourself...
Nehru is only father to Indira...not any body else. But Bharat Matha is mother to us all..Some body alleging something against Nehru, Indira can defend...Some body teasing mother India...all true patriots can defend..
And Taslima cannot break the moral codes of a country...If she does so..she will receive same treatment..for her freedom is not higher than ethical framework of a nation.
There is prostitution in this country...But that doesnt mean prostitution is legal and moral...is it?
It is naked and barbaric cultural attack, which deliberatly intended to hurt our national respect and heritage..It is really anti national and it can be called a cultural terrorism....
We should fight to eradicate this evil...
Some body retaliates that it is matter between intutional expression and freedom of an artist,
But is it not our freedom to protect our culture,to fight against cultural terrorism..
It is an offence under Indian Penal Code,
If he comes Kerala to recieve the award, then he should be arrested...
Rahul
As I understand, you are a person who respects all religion - very good. I also accept your point that religion is all about belief and inner peace. But I opposed this particular case because of below reasons.
1) MF Hussein is not a kind of person who would deliberately insult Hinduism, unlike the danish cartoonist whose intention was bad
2) People who first brought up this case had an agenda - to polarize
3) As I have stated earlier, drawing the pictures of Hindu gods is accepted within Hindu philosophy so long as the intentions are good
There was another popular issue recently - sethu samudra and the related statements in court. I support Hindus 100% in this issue(I am a Muslim). There is no point in questioning the belief of many people in court - doubting the existense of Lord SriRam is senseless as this is the innermost belief of many Hindus and cannot be questioned. I think no political party should have made a court statement questioning the existence of a religious figure, whether it is Ram or Krishn. But what is still possible within the limits of reason is that Hindus themselves can debate whether SriRam himself would have had any problem with such a project(ie, sethusamudra).
Also IMO, both Hindus and Muslims should learn to ignore things which they don't like, whether it is MFHussein or Tasleema and concentrate on their own beliefs
Dear Rahul,
You are opposing Madhavikutty, and Taslima Nasreen because of their sexual encounters with their husbands friends.
If this logic is applied then how can you support Veda Vyasa who created Mahabharata. He had sexual relationship with his step brothers wives and fathered Vidur, Pandu, and Dhrutarashtra. Is this is acceptable to you. Kunti pandavas mother also had sexual encounters with males other than her husband. Ayyappa is the product of homosexual relation ship between Vishnu and Shiva. List is endless.
Taslima and Madhavikutty had the courage to tell it publicaly. Instead of analyzing their private life you should analyze their work.
"Taslima and Madhavikutty had the courage to tell it publicaly. Instead of analyzing their private life you should analyze their work."
that is the artists freedom and it should be protected. attacks against writers and artists is a good way to kill the democracy. people who attacked taslima had a political agenda and if they take law into hands, they should be sent to Thihar jail
'Vinashakale Vipareet Buddhi', a word from sanskrit, seems to be true with M F Hussain & people like him. Perhaps he doesnt deserve place in hearts of Indians or in India. Go Ahead Mr.Rahul, wishes of true Indians will be with you in your work for your awarness work...
D E A R RAJAN....HOW FOOLISH
M U S T R E A D
Please dont comment on anything without knowing. Dont be a stupid...
I pray to god, to forgive those fools who dont understand symbolic language...I am angered by ur comments.
Which medical science tells you that through a HOMOSEXUAL relationship a baby can be born ...
How can AYYAPPA be born of Shiv and Vishnu ???
That is symbolic language. Ayyappa is only a name..His real name was Manikanta..
AYYAPPA - Ayya(vishnu), Appa(Shiva). there were 2 prominent philsophies of the time, Vaishnavism and Shaivism. People were fighting over which is better, and who's concept is great, Vishnus or Shivas. Manikanta combined them..and Said both philosophies lead to same way. hence AYYAPPA..
the problem I admit is not with you, The Culture in the nation should have been taught to people here. THE LIST IS ENDLESS...try to know more..this was one simple example. You people have been mislead..open ur eyes...
WHAT HAPPEND TO MADHAVIKUTTY atlast ?????????????????
ZEN my dear Muslim Friend...
BEING HINDU ...I DONT HAVE ANY PROBLEM IN ADMITTING THAT
"ISLAM is the best religion, when it comes to ETHICS"
every religion has its own specialities, Christianity has a towering person Jesus, Hinduism its deep philosophy, Buddhism the service mentality.
And you as a MUSLIM dont understand Islam, thats why you are saying this.
Madhavikutty who wrote 'his underarms smelled like semen' ended up in PURDAH....gosh..women's freedom..
WHERE IS THE REVOLUTION ?? WHERE DID WOMENS FREEDOM GO ??? IF SHE WERE RIGHT, WHY THE HELL DID SHE END UP IN PURDAH ????
This is the fate of all...including TASLIMA who married twice unsuccessfully and SHE TOO WILL COME BACK TO ISLAM...iam sure.. PLEASE study ISLAM..I am doing it for the past year and a half..
KNOW ISLAM, you will have the answers..or Know any religion deeply. You will have it. DONT TAKE and TALK superficially from here and there..
Rahul wrote: Which medical science tells you that through a HOMOSEXUAL relationship a baby can be born ...
You are right Rahul here you apply your brain and logic. But in the case of Makaravilakku you are not applying any logic or scientific principle.
Rahul wrote:WHERE IS THE REVOLUTION ?? WHERE DID WOMENS FREEDOM GO ??? IF SHE WERE RIGHT, WHY THE HELL DID SHE END UP IN PURDAH ????
Madhavikutty has shown here courage and freedom by choosing a religion of her choice. What is wrong in it.
R A J A N DONT BE AN ESCAPIST
DONT FOOL YOURSELF...WE WILtopL ANALYSE ONE BY ONE. I am ready to discuss on any topic. LET US GO ONE BY ONE
..you said "Ayyappa is the product of homosexual relation ship between Vishnu and Shiva. List is endless"
DONT RUN AWAY RAJAN...BE A MAN...SHow the GUTS TO ARGUE..
When I Clearly pointed out your foolishness, you escape...ANSWER THIS....When You dont understand the symbolic language...and when you are caught dont run away...ATLEAST HAVE INTELLECTUAL HONESTY....
WHEN IT IS A MISTAKE...ADMIT IT..WHEN YOU DONT KNOW..ACKNOWLEDGE IT...AND DONT ESCAPE...
When You dont understand the symbolic language...and when you are caught dont run away...ATLEAST HAVE INTELLECTUAL HONESTY....
"Symbolic language" is an escape way used by many traditionalists to hide the foolishness of our ancistors. This term is an escape way to explain away unscientific statements in our scripters. Story of ayyappa is a fiction which can't face scientific test/analysis. To escape from this embarassing situation they use the term "Symbolic language".
Christians use it extensively. Bible says earth is flat, rests on 4 pillers with a dome over it. Now everybody knows it is a foolish concept. To give some legitimacy for this church, depends on "Symbolic language" theory.
Earlier you asked "How can AYYAPPA be born of Shiv and Vishnu ???" I appreciate you for asking this question. But instead coming to the conclusion that this is foolishness, you try to explain this with the help "Sybolic language" theory.
Applying same logic I can also argue that MF Hussian's paintings are sybolic in nature and not hurting anyones sentiments.
Hussain Symbolic language can be good....He can apply it to His own mother and family of his supporters..not to the sensibilities of the nation.
Angane cheytha vivaram ariyum...eppo atha arinjukondirikkunathu.
AND PLEASE DONT COMMENT BEFORE KNOWING BASIC FACTS...Have you ever read or researched on Bible..or Have you gone deep into any religion for that matter. What do you know about your forefathers.
Dear history didnt start with
Marx...Long before, 7000-8000 years are there. You have to learn, UNDERSTAND and comment.
Learn something and COmment...You can try any religion. But research
and comment...You are ESCAPING..
You will have the same fate.....MADHAVIKUTTY was the greatest critic of male domination and greatest advocate of FEMALE FREEDOM....NOW PURDAH....WHERE DID SHE END UP...See...SAYING THAT "FREEDOM IS NOT EVERYTHING"
Eventually everyone will come back, they all have to come back home.
MY NUMBER IS 098468-15555. call me if you dare...I am ready to answer any question you ask. But ask, ask people who has atleast done some research..Try to know, rather conclude on any foolishness you like
Mythology of all religions are created before modern scientific knowledge. So it bound to have unscientific and imaginary concepts. Instead of accepting this reality, people like you try to give it legitimacy with the help of "symbolic language", "no deep study", other blah blah... and end up in slogan shouting. You are trying to revive religions which are already on the death bed. In developed countries churches are becoming museums. In India also God, Ghost, religon and cast etc. are facing a doom.
My purpose is not to hava verbal dual with you. If my comments made someone to ask questions and come to their own conclusion, I am happy.
Hai Rahul,
I agree with you thoughts,Nobody have the rights to insult the nation even he is in a higher position, Dont care the person, we have to oppose the activity what he done, its really shame to indians, who internally feels and proud of being an indian. Thank you Rahul for came to know the fact.
Kind Regards,
Anoop Kumar TK
anoopin2004@yahoo.com
THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF SCIENCE is A Belief, A MYTH..
WHAT is Science, Is it truth, is anything 'scientific'.
IS SCIENCE SCIENTIFIC ?
If So How can 3 great scientists disagree on the basic nature of particle and world.
Newton had a different view, Einstein told Newton was wrong and His relativity was right, Now Stephen Hawkings says Einstein was not correct...
Have you ever seen any two scientists agreeing totally on anything. If so who's science is science? Think abt it. Ordinary people fall for this "science" propaganda.
Just ask yourself.
Newton told 'mass never changes with speed and gravity is right'
Einstein told 'mass increases with velocity tending toward the speed of light (c) and Gravity is wrong and 4 dimensions are there for spacio-time
Stephen Hawkings and new age science tells abt "The string theory and 11 dimension theory" WHO'S SCIENCE IS SCIENCE ?
The word science comes from latin word 'scientia' which means to know, knowledge. The word veda comes from the sankrit root 'vid' which means to know, knowledge.
In essence, Both religion and science are a search for the questions of universe and human life. They are not contradictory, rather they are complimentary.
Dear brother, you argue well, but you dont have enough knowledge nor read well nor go deep. Alpam jnanam Aapathanu...
Take this suggestion, you use internet and read about any topic connecting religion and science...for some HOURS. dont read superficially, go deep. I bet you will come to the same conclusion. try it.
AND REMEMBER SCIENCE means PREJUDICE less enquiry....ANd RAJAN you are having a lot of prejudice...that will harm you in your search
ഇവിടെ കുറ്റക്കാരന് രാജരവിവര്മ്മ എന്ന കോമേഴ്സ്യല് ആര്ട്ടിസ്റ്റാണ്. അയാള് നടത്തിയ തോന്നിവാസത്തിന്റെ ഭാഗമായി കുട്ടികള്ക്കുള്ള അമര്ചിത്രകഥയിലെ കാലത്തിനു ചേരാത്ത വേഷഭൂഷാതികളോടെ വരക്കപ്പെട്ട ചീഞ്ഞളിഞ്ഞ ചരിത്രമുള്ള ബ്രഹ്മണ ദൈവങ്ങളെ മാത്രം കണ്ടു പരിചയമുള്ള നമുക്ക് എം.എഫ്.ഹുസൈന്റെ നഗ്നരാക്കി വരക്കപ്പെട്ട ദൈവങ്ങളെ കാണുമ്പോള് മാനം ഇടിഞ്ഞു താഴേ വീഴാതിരുന്നാലേ അതിശയമുള്ളു.
നമ്മുടെ ബ്രാഹ്മണ മതത്തിലെ ലൈംഗീക അരാചകത്വം പ്രചരിപ്പിക്കുന്ന ശില്പ്പങ്ങളും,ചിത്രങ്ങളും,സാഹിത്യവും ധാരാളം നമ്മുടെ മുന്നിലുണ്ടാകുംബോള് എം.എഫ്. ഹുസൈന്റെ പിറകെ ഓടുന്ന ബ്രാഹ്മണ വര്ഗീയത
തങ്ങളുടെ രാഷ്ട്രീയ താല്പ്പര്യങ്ങള് സംരക്ഷിക്കാനുള്ള കുത്സിത മാര്ഗ്ഗത്തിന്റെ പാതയിലാണ്.
നമ്മുടെ സംസ്കാരത്തെ മലിനപ്പെടുത്തി ,ബ്രാഹ്മണ്യത്തിന്റെ ആശ്രിതരായും,ദാസ്യത്തിലുംകഴിയുന്ന ഹിന്ദു ദൈവങ്ങളെ നഗ്നരായി വരക്കുംബോള് സ്വന്തം അജന്ഡകള്ക്ക് എതിരാണെന്നതിനാല് ബ്രാഹ്മണര് വര്ഗ്ഗീയത ആളിക്കത്തിക്കാന് നിര്ബന്ധിതരാകുമെന്നത് സ്വാഭാവികം.
ബ്രഹ്മണന്റെ കള്ള പുരാണ കഥകളിലെ തട്ടുപൊളിപ്പന് പൈങ്കിളി കഥാപാത്രങ്ങളൊക്കെ ദൈവവേഷം കെട്ടി ജനങ്ങളെ കബളിപ്പിക്കാനും,ഭക്തി വിഷത്തിലൂടെ ജനത്തെ മയക്കിടത്തി ബ്രാഹ്മണനു കൊള്ള നടത്തുന്നതിനും നിര്മ്മിക്കപ്പെട്ടെ ദൈവങ്ങളാണ്.
അതു വിളിച്ചുപറയേണ്ട കര്ത്തവ്യം എം എഫ്. ഹുസൈനെപ്പോലുള്ള കലാ-സാഹിത്യ പ്രവര്ത്തകര്ക്കുണ്ട്.
ഹുസൈന് മുസ്ലീമാണെന്നു കരുതി അദ്ദേഹത്തിന് ഹിന്ദു ദൈവങ്ങളുടെ ചിത്രം വരക്കാന് അവകാശമില്ലെന്ന് പറയാന് ആര്ക്കും അധികാരമില്ല.
ഹുസൈനോട് കൃസ്തുവിനേയും മുഹമ്മദിനേയും നഗ്നരായി വരക്കാന് ആഹ്വാനം ചെയ്യുന്ന ബ്രാഹ്മണ വര്ഗ്ഗീയ വാദികള് സ്വയം അതു വരക്കുകയോ,വരപ്പിക്കുകയോ ചെയ്യാന് തയ്യാറാകുന്നതല്ലെ നല്ലത്.
there are many naked scuptures in temples.. wht all bad things are wrote in manusmriti..why u never say anything abt manusmriti...
we saw u making media attention infront of secretraite..shame on u rahul..
is manusmriti is good or bad??
wht is ur answer??
Dear Rajan Asuyappettitu karyamilla
I am sorry and sad if no body gives attention and value to you and your views. I will pray for you. Pakshe athinu enne kuttam paranjittu karyamilla.
AND HAVE YOU EVER READ MANUSMRITI ???
ANSWER honestly RAJAN. have you. Dont only read criticisms of a book and criticise it. Your views are very biased.
No one can be 100% impartial...True...But dont be 100% partial !!!..
THERE ARE A LOT OF NAKED DIAGRAMS IN BIOLOGY BOOKS...SHould we protest...WILL HIGH COURT ISSUE ORDER AGAINST IT...? Dont be SILLY...
FIRST GO TO A TEMPLE...SEE THE SCRIPTURES...TRY TO KNOW THE MEANING BEHIND IT...AND ARGUE..
If you have doubts...do contact me...from any number or STD booth..Please know before arguing..
C H I T R A K A R A N
HIGH COURTum Brahmana medhavitham ayirikkum
M.F.Hussain Vulgarity varachal athu matram "nallathum, vilichu parayalum ayirikkum"
Dalitan Supreme Court Chief Justice, K.G.Balakrishnan irikkumbozhum SAVARNA MEDHAVITHAM ayirikkum
" Chitrakara...Art is to elevate people, not to DEVALUE it..
" Nammude Samoohathil Kure perundu....They still have prejudice..for & Against..I dont believe in 'high' and 'low' caste
Pakshe Chilar ... ADHAKRITHANENNU Swayam karuthunavante APAKARSHATHA BODHAM....Inferiority complex of those people who still have Inferiority and Superiority complex...
വാവടുക്കുമ്പോള്, ചിത്രകാരനു ഭ്രാന്ത് കയറും...!!
സ്വന്തം അപകര്ഷതാ ബോധത്തിന്റെ കടി തീര്ക്കാന് മലയാളം ബ്ലോഗുകളില് പറ്റാത്തതിന്റെ ചൊരുക്ക് മലയാളം ബ്ലോഗിനു വെളിയില് വന്നു കാണിക്കുന്നല്ലോ എന്റ്റെ ചിത്രൂ...
എടോ ചിത്രകാരാ, തന്റെ ഏറ്റവും പുതിയ കണ്ടു പിടുത്തം കലക്കി. രാജാരവിവര്മ്മ കൊമേഴ്സ്യല് ആര്ട്ടിസ്റ്റ് ആണെന്ന കണ്ടുപിടുത്തം!!
“...കാലത്തിനു ചേരാത്ത വേഷഭൂഷാതികളോടെ വരക്കപ്പെട്ട...“
കലാകാരന്റെ സ്വാതന്ത്ര്യം - കലാകാരന്റെ സ്വാതന്ത്ര്യം എന്നു താന് തന്നെ പറയാറുള്ള ആ സാധനം രവിവര്മ്മക്ക് ഉപയോഗിക്കാന് പാടില്ലേ?
“...ചീഞ്ഞളിഞ്ഞ ചരിത്രമുള്ള ബ്രഹ്മണ ദൈവങ്ങളെ മാത്രം കണ്ടു പരിചയമുള്ള നമുക്ക് എം.എഫ്.ഹുസൈന്റെ നഗ്നരാക്കി വരക്കപ്പെട്ട ദൈവങ്ങളെ കാണുമ്പോള് മാനം ഇടിഞ്ഞു താഴേ വീഴാതിരുന്നാലേ അതിശയമുള്ളു....”
കുറേ കാലമായി താന് തന്റെ അമ്മയെ കാണുന്നുണ്ടായിരിക്കുമല്ലോ, അമ്മേടെ ഒരു ഫോട്ടോ ഹുസൈനയച്ചു കൊടുക്ക്, എന്നിട്ട് തുണിയില്ലാതെ വരച്ചു തരാന് പറകോപ്പേ...
“നമ്മുടെ ബ്രാഹ്മണ മതത്തിലെ ലൈംഗീക അരാചകത്വം പ്രചരിപ്പിക്കുന്ന ശില്പ്പങ്ങളും,ചിത്രങ്ങളും,സാഹിത്യവും ധാരാളം നമ്മുടെ മുന്നിലുണ്ടാകുംബോള് എം.എഫ്. ഹുസൈന്റെ പിറകെ ഓടുന്ന ബ്രാഹ്മണ വര്ഗീയത
തങ്ങളുടെ രാഷ്ട്രീയ താല്പ്പര്യങ്ങള് സംരക്ഷിക്കാനുള്ള കുത്സിത മാര്ഗ്ഗത്തിന്റെ പാതയിലാണ്.“
എടോ കോപ്പേ, ബ്രാഹ്മണ മതം എന്നൊന്നില്ല. എം എഫ് ഹുസൈന്റെ പിറകേ ഓടുന്നത് ബ്രാഹ്മണ വര്ഗീസാണോ കത്തോലിക്കാ വര്ഗീസാണോന്ന് താനിങ്ങനെ നോക്കിയിരുന്നോ... എം എഫ് ഹുസൈന്റെ പൃഷ്ടം താങ്ങിയായ ഹേ പന്ന ചിത്രകാരാ... താന് സ്വന്തം സംസ്കാരത്തിന്റെ വേരറുക്കലാണ് കണ്ടുകൊണ്ട് നില്ക്കുന്നത്.
“നമ്മുടെ സംസ്കാരത്തെ മലിനപ്പെടുത്തി“- മലിനപ്പെടുത്തുന്നത് ചിത്രകാരനെ പോലെയുള്ള ബഹുപിതൃ സന്താനങ്ങള്.
“ബ്രഹ്മണന്റെ കള്ള പുരാണ കഥകളിലെ തട്ടുപൊളിപ്പന് പൈങ്കിളി കഥാപാത്രങ്ങളൊക്കെ ദൈവവേഷം കെട്ടി ജനങ്ങളെ കബളിപ്പിക്കാനും,ഭക്തി വിഷത്തിലൂടെ ജനത്തെ മയക്കിടത്തി ബ്രാഹ്മണനു കൊള്ള നടത്തുന്നതിനും നിര്മ്മിക്കപ്പെട്ടെ ദൈവങ്ങളാണ്.“ --- എനിക്ക് ചിരി വരുന്നു. തന്നെ ആരോ ശരിക്ക് വച്ചിട്ടുണ്ട്... മുന്നിലും പിന്നിലും!
“അതു വിളിച്ചുപറയേണ്ട കര്ത്തവ്യം എം എഫ്. ഹുസൈനെപ്പോലുള്ള കലാ-സാഹിത്യ പ്രവര്ത്തകര്ക്കുണ്ട്.“... മ്മ്മ്മ്ം ഉണ്ട് ഉണ്ട്
“ഹുസൈന് മുസ്ലീമാണെന്നു കരുതി അദ്ദേഹത്തിന് ഹിന്ദു ദൈവങ്ങളുടെ ചിത്രം വരക്കാന് അവകാശമില്ലെന്ന് പറയാന് ആര്ക്കും അധികാരമില്ല.“ വരച്ചോട്ടെ... ആര് പറഞ്ഞു വേണ്ടാന്ന്? വരക്കുന്നത് വരക്കേണ്ടപോലെ വരച്ചാല് ആര്ക്കും പരാതിയില്ല...
“ഹുസൈനോട് കൃസ്തുവിനേയും മുഹമ്മദിനേയും നഗ്നരായി വരക്കാന് ആഹ്വാനം ചെയ്യുന്ന ബ്രാഹ്മണ വര്ഗ്ഗീയ വാദികള് സ്വയം അതു വരക്കുകയോ,വരപ്പിക്കുകയോ ചെയ്യാന് തയ്യാറാകുന്നതല്ലെ നല്ലത്.“ - അച്ഛന്റെ പേരിങ്ങനെ വിളിച്ചു പറയാതെ ചിത്രകാരാ...
എന്തെങ്കിലും ഒക്കെ എഴുതാം എന്നും പറഞ്ഞ് വന്നതാ... ഇനി വേണ്ട...
Hi rahul,
I always wanted to protest againistthis painitngs by M.F.hussain so called great artist for whom kerala government wanted to give RajaRavivarma award for such a womeniser(sorry for being impolite),sexmaniac .By this act our govt is supporting these kind of immatur personalities or what?I guess he is so frustrated with his life taht he is imagining thins which he wants to see in the world.like naked women .its better to send him to a mental hospital.Good for all Indians who love their sister,mother or wife. I am proud to be an indian but i am not proud of these kind of indians .
Can any body imagine his/ her on mother to be exposed like this support him .Another advice to M.F>Hussain if you are brave enough then draw such type of pictures about your father and mother(imagine the same things) or else you and your wife.Shame on you you doesn't belong to India not even to the universe even animals wont have such imagination .You belong to those people who will rape a two year old for his pleasure.YOU ARE A RAPIST
Rahul,
Hinduism may or may not be India's culture. It may be a mere religion. Still Hinduism is the biggest community in India. That is the same problem with hindus. The government and the politicians never care for hindus and care only for the minority interests. In current days, MINORITY IS THE MAJORITY. And the majority is not doing anything here.
An artist has his own creative freedom, but not to demolish or disturb humane-religious beliefs. MFH has full athourity to draw pictures of hindu gods, keeping the dignity on.
The ridiculous thing is about the Kerala goverment. On what basis they are awarding Mr. Hussain the Raja Ravi Varma Award, for his half a century old work? If they are so concerned to award someone, They can award CHITHRAKARAN, a fellow blogger, for his Iconic work of A MAN WITH A BOMB. That picture is better than hussain's painting.
"Hussain Symbolic language can be good....He can apply it to His own mother and family of his supporters..not to the sensibilities of the nation. "
Now we got ur standard..
shame on u man...
i have read manusmriti many times,
Take chapter 8, and see this lines.. wht is ur openion..why dnt u firing it??? because all these laws are only favorable for you.
278. Thus the rules for punishments (applicable to cases) of defamation have
been truly declared; I will next propound the decision (of cases) of assault.
279. With whatever limb a man of a low caste does hurt to (a man of the
three) highest (castes), even that limb shall be cut off; that is the teaching
of Manu.
280. He who raises his hand or a stick, shall have his hand cut off; he who
in anger kicks with his foot, shall have his foot cut off.
281. A low-caste man who tries to place himself on the same seat with a man
of a high caste, shall be branded on his hip and be banished, or (the king)
shall cause his buttock to be gashed
282. If out of arrogance he spits (on a superior), the king shall cause both
his lips to be cut off; if he urines (on him), the penis; if he breaks wind
(against him), the anus.
read the lastmost line.. whts ur openion???
Such an idiotic argument Mr. Rajan!!
I've also read Manusmrithi. There is no such thing as refered by you. You might have read some versions available in BUS STANDS! or written by S.A.Jaan or R.A.Japan!
Pity on you Mr. Rajan.
First you have to understand the basic theories of hinduism. Why the temples have such erotic sculptures. I am sure, you dont know anything about it. Or you are deleberately behaving like you are not aware of that. In any case, you are making yourself a big IDIOT!
I am ready for an argument... You can shoot your questions. I have answers for anything you ask in this regard.
Also, today's issue is not about hinduism or any other isms! It is regarding the wide acceptance of a 1970s art by so called great painter- M F Hussain. What if, he have drawn a picture of your idol of belief.
Will you be reacting the same way if he picturise your wife and dad in the same manner?
ponnambalam:
"Such an idiotic argument Mr. Rajan!!
I've also read Manusmrithi. There is no such thing as refered by you. You might have read some versions available in BUS STANDS! or written by S.A.Jaan or R.A.Japan!"
ponnambalam, I know u are famous blogger, I am challenging you. Take manusmriti, go to 8th chapter then read the lines or laws 278 to 282. Then read man. If u cant find, I will stop the commenting. And if there is , will u stop ur blogging. I am challenging u..
Click here for online manusmriti by famous hindu website
yea I agreed..
what MF Hussain done is not good, he have the freedom, but it shud not hurt the feelings of peoples.
but we can see many sculptures and naked drawings in temples..wht is that????
You might have heard of shankaracharya's verses:
"Balasthhaaval kreedaasaktha
Tharunasthhaaval tharuneesaktha
vrutddhasthaaval chinthamagna
parame brahmani kopinasaktha"
In temples like ananthapadmanabha swami temple and all you can find sculptures of the three stages said in the prose. i.e, There will be sculptures to attract children, sculptures to attract youngsters and sculptures for the elder ones. It's ultimate message is that, you should enjoy your life according to your age. And after an age, you should be releaved from all your thoughts and surrender yourself to sannyasa. If you are locked in your physical thoughts, there is no way to attain the almighty.
Another thought is that, Those sculptures are for your self analysis, whether you are eligible for sanyasa. Because sanyasa means leaving all the earthly thoughts. I think you can understand it.
THANK YOU FOR REPLYING IN SUCH A FRIENDLY WAY.
Anticipatory statement for some fellow bloggers:
This is the thought which is for the believers in hinduism and not the believers of BRAHMINISM. Because there is no such thing.
For this:
http://www.hinduwebsite.com/sacredscripts/hinduism/dharma/manusmriti_2.asp
You can simply relate it to The Old testament. send back your thoughts!
We are not arguing abt the manu dharma shasthra. The subject is MF Hussain's painting. But when it comes to Manu, I 'ld read it in it's sense. And I'ld not call it a bad thing. Rather it is some impractical thing in contemporary world. I dont even like to implement it too. I too dont like it. Hinduism is not tightly collaged with Manusmrithi. Hinduism's building bricks are Vedas.
Rajan, Blogging is my asset, my freedom. Starting and stopping a blog is my mercy. I think Blogger server is not yours. So, no such bets! :)
Find out yourself that, there are no hindu gods depicted in nude postures in any of the temples. The scultures depict lifestyles.
you can learn lot of new positions of making love from those sculptures...!
thnx ponnambalam.
sorry, i deviated frm the blogs theme..but I cant agree with ur hinduism ideas.
but wht MF Hussain done is really very bad. Still There are many problems in india, Why he drawing Hindu GOds nude?? wht benefit he is getting??? he is just making problems ..
बहुत अच्छे भाई
Indeed disturbing paintings.
Dear Rahul
My last post was dated October 6, 2007 9:57 PM. After that a new Rajan appeared here. With this post I am going to end my comments.
Rahul you have every right to protest against what you feel not acceptable. But the reason you put forward here are very week. As I wrote earlier Indian culture has a place for nudity also. Muslim and christia religons never accept it. Ours is not a homogenous culture. Here you can see meat eaters and pure vegitarians, nudist and fully clad, clean shaved from head to toe, bearded with long hair with locks. All of them have a place in our culture. This diversity may be the beauty of our culture.
Bye for now, carry on your protest.
R A J A N ,
Are you deliberately missing the point ?
Nudity is not the primary problem, V U L G A R I T Y is the problem.
Sex is god's gift, but does that mean Sex with neighbour's wife is God's gift ????
Sex is sacred pleasure in Indian culture, but does that mean Sex of a 50 year old with a 15 year old is Sacred pleasure ????
NUDITY IS NEVER BAD, But does that mean peeping through key hole of a room and seeing a lady changing dress is not bad ????
Taking video in MY mobile is MY RIGHT, but does that mean CAPTURING Video of a girl's private parts secretly and MMSing in Internet is MY RIGHT in SHARING AND CARING...
Diversity is Beauty for sure,Variety is the spice of life for sure, But does that mean
Husbands and wives should TRY FOR DIVERSITY once in a while, Variety is great only with ur partnet, not with another's.
Dont take things out of Context...
IF MY REASONS WERE WEAK, Why did Kerala High Court Accept it ?
Why did Maharashtra court issued an arrest Warrant ?
Dont be silly...My protests were true, genuine, even you know that, Accept it, Dont be intellectually dishonest..
Perhaps, Hussain should paint his family as naked and sold to nude magazines and website, he will get more money and fame. he is a basterd.....his mind is totally sick and he has a distrubed DNA. Kerala Govt shame on you....
Mr. R.Eswar.
What is ur openion about 'Kumba mela'. Parede by tousands of nude sanyasis..
is that a good culture?? or Bad culture??
please answer/
Hello Mr.Rajan,
Rahul already cleared the fact that, he is not a blogger. He had created this blog, only to protest against the award and paintings as an Indian.
If you really want to know his opinion about the Kumbha mela, and about many more things, you can call him in the specified phone number, which he specified very clearly in the profile. Don’t be a plunderer. Be bold enough to show your identity and courage if you are a man! Call him and talk!
Dear Rajan..
Sadly the problem here is that you never go deep into any topic, Dont comment superficially, I personally request you, Please spent 20 mins in INTERNET to read about Kumbh mela. It is the "LARGEST RELIGIOUS GATHERING ON EARTH - B B C"...
Mahavira never used cloths, but was he an exhibitionist ???
Maria and Shakeela hardly uses cloth, but are they SAINTS, or DIVINE ???
Sharada and Shakeela can be both said as actresses
BUT CAN WE EQUATE SHARADA and Shakeela
Yes we can superficially say 1) They both are actresses 2) they both acted in love-making scenes 3) they both do films as a JOB 4) They both earn money 5) WHAT EVER IN MOVIE IS JUST ACTING.
SO SHARADA AND SHAKEELA ARE EQUAL...
Touch ur heart and say, isnt there any difference ????
The difference is of context, ethics, values, art, selling sexuality, vulgarity..right ?
That is the difference between Kumbhmela and Hussain (again reminding you, the issue with Hussain is of VULGARITY )
hussain must be punished.
If he walks free every other will insult us in our own country we will find difficult to stay.
why not issue a fatva on hussain
Mahavira never used cloths, but was he an exhibitionist ???
Maria and Shakeela hardly uses cloth, but are they SAINTS, or DIVINE ???
Sharada and Shakeela can be both said as actresses
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wow.. what a answer..
shame on u man,,
i dnt agree with hussain..
but who told that india is a godess?? why u calling india 'HER' ?? is bharatha is matha?? where did u get that?? u have any historical evidence?? india is a lady GOD??
Hello Mr. Rajan,
All these depictions are part of Indian culture. India is considered as a mother. According to Indian culture, the mother represents the most dignified role of a female.
As manu says, "yathra naryastu poojyanthe thatra ramanthe devathaha."(where women are worshiped there revels all the prosperity). Worshipping mother is part of our culture. In other country this much dignified representation is not there for a women.
So India is considered as a lady goddess. So the "cultured Indian" will worship her.
Indian culture is a very dignified one, though the young generation like you (Rajan) hardly consider that.
If India is considered as a man, the culture of india will be different. The family relationships will not be this much strong.
By considering India as a lady, ancestors had given a wonderful definition also for an Indian mother. Mother considered as the most wonderful role of a female! It represents protection, patience, love, care, affection, responsibility and many other beautiful emotions. Apart from other countries and their culture, the family relationships are much stronger in India.
All these are part of our Indian culture. So Rajan, try to understand the true essence of Indian culture. Try to understand why ancestors had given various depictions, than blabbering something to pull some one’s leg.;)
india is not a lady or man,
its a country. not a human being..
plz dnt bring manu here.. manusmriti is the worst one i had ever seen. all cast problems arise only because of this manusmriti.
Take chapter 8, and see this lines.. wht is ur openion..why dnt u firing it??? because all these laws are only favorable for you.
278. Thus the rules for punishments (applicable to cases) of defamation have
been truly declared; I will next propound the decision (of cases) of assault.
279. With whatever limb a man of a low caste does hurt to (a man of the
three) highest (castes), even that limb shall be cut off; that is the teaching
of Manu.
280. He who raises his hand or a stick, shall have his hand cut off; he who
in anger kicks with his foot, shall have his foot cut off.
281. A low-caste man who tries to place himself on the same seat with a man
of a high caste, shall be branded on his hip and be banished, or (the king)
shall cause his buttock to be gashed
282. If out of arrogance he spits (on a superior), the king shall cause both
his lips to be cut off; if he urines (on him), the penis; if he breaks wind
(against him), the anus.
these are all inside manusmriti.I cant agree all these..
india is a country not a GODESS OR LADY.
mf hussain draw hindu godess nude.. thats a big problem. that i agreed.
but i cant agree with INDIA is a hindu godess..
bye
Hello Mr.Rajan,
I never told India is a goddess.
I told all these are depictions, those depictions are made for good purpose. All those are part of our culture.
So try to understand what is India, and try to understand why all those depictions are made by Rishis.
I strongly understood, you are talking out of some inferiority. If you are great enough to get the respect of others, or if you are good enough in your talk and manners, people will respect you. Your caste or creed or anything like that sort will never stop people from respecting you, "if you are good enough."
So try to be a man of value. Try to be a successful man, than trying to pull some one's leg.;)
I would recommend one more thing. Whenever you read something, try to extract the good part from that, than exaggerating the bad things.
Rajan... U r a clever Escapist.
Answer the questions. Ha Ha Ha ennu parayathe.. UTTARAM muttumbo Konjanam Kanikkalle..
Shame on whom, ask yourself !!!
I understand you might not have enough to answer the questions. IT's Ok.
Bharat is considered Matha, mother, because A nation is considered as sacred as mother. It is not in literary sense dear Rajan.
Then why do you have so much INFERIORITY complex. Apakarshatha Bodham, Samsaya Rogam, Paranoia, these are diseases. come on..no body is inferior, no body is superior, People are different, true, But nothing of Superiority/Inferiority.
And if you are feeling bad about some inferiority Dear Brother, trust me, no inferiority/superiority.
People can do anything in Kerala now....It is the state which completely gone away from our culture.At least you tried to expose the current government and its pseudo secularist activities.Great work!!!It is an eye opener for everyone.
Freedom cant be defined in black and white...it is very grey...for Hussain it is drawing pics in nude...and for you it is lamenting in a blog...for me it is writing this comment with a pinch of sarcasm....well, a bag load of sarcasm...
and i think such articles are just to create a smoke screen ' for god knows why'....such blogs will create communal tension...
hopefully, sense will prevail in the end....amen!(now dont call me a blind christian...i am born to a hindu family....but world has taught me to tolerate diff people and diff preferances...)
just two words for you rahul....GROW UP...and maybe three more words...STOP SHOWING OFF!!!!!
Hello Mr.Vinod,
Yes, of course you also showed your freedom of expression!
Freedom of expression doesn't implies, you can throw a stone on some one, and can always escape from that by telling, you showed your freedom!
For you, might be freedom is grey, but for some one else, anything grey is black!
If some one draw a nude picture of your mother, could you able justify the artist for his wonderful work?? For his freedom of expression?? Are you ready to publish it??
For some people, the mother land is like a mother! or more than that!
You just take time and think about it!
Vinod...Dont be Childish
GROWP UP is what you said
1) Honourbale Kerala High Court stopped the award to Hussain. Should High Court and Chief Justice also GROW UP ?
2) Maharashtra Court issued arrest warrant to Hussain for 'controversy and publicity seeking, insulting cultural icons of India'. Should Maharasthra Court also GROW UP ?
3) Delhi High Court Justice Kapoor in his verdict, said about Hussain "Freedom, Liberty is only good with responsibilty, Hussain should refrain from these publicity gimmicks and stunts
Should he also GROW UP ?
Njangal ellam GROW UP cheyyunathinekkal nallathu PLEASE VINOD...YOU GROW UP and GIVE UP Pseudo-intellectual,petty, shallow opinions? R I G H T ???
And about me I will keep Showing off.. You may call it like that. When Da Vinci Code controversy happend, I was one of the persons in Trivandrum who coordinated the media. I was the youth wing secretary of Young Mens Chirstian Association (YMCA-TvM). I studied in Christ Nagar and You may be surprised to know, I take Bible Classes, give lectures on Bible and Indian Philosophy here in many places. and DONT "TOLERATE" different view points, Toleration implies hate, hate that you are ready to suppress and ADJUST. real religion is "UNDERSTANDING" not TOLERATING. Stop being IMMATURE Vinod, Pseudo Intellectual, Shallow, Superifical tolerance will not do.
Godess Lakshmi, Durga, Sarswati etc. are painted as conjoined twins by famous painters. These images are having additional limbs, a medical condition called ischiopagus, in which the twins are joined with one head and having multiple limbs. No protest or you explain away it with help of "symbolic language"
Rahul...you have done a great job...Nobody has the courage to raise voice against the eminent personalities who do such immoral things..and you have done it.
Every Indian who is concerned about thier Mother India should react to it...
Rajan arinjoodatha karyam Ariyavunnavarodu chodichu manasilakkuka. Kupa mandukam aakathe irikkuka.
1) In Holy Bible, it is mentioned that Jesus fed 5000 people with 5 breads. should we think that Jesus is a good chef, a good distributer ?
2) In Genesis, it is written. Adam and eve were there, Abel and Kane were born to them. How the hell did the rest of people came ? see these books are symbolic, poetic, decorative, in nature. Dont read the letter, realise the spirit. Dont fall for the body, for body will become old and get new forms. Do go for the feel,feel of soul ful visions of creation, expansion, and destruction, represented by different pictures, symbols in religions
Rahul don't try to fool people with the help of symbolic language. You can not fool all people always.
What is written in bible has no supporting scientific evidence. These verses are based on pure imagination and wishful thinking. Problem with these so called holy books is that preachers insists, what is written here is always true. So they are engaged in a futile attempt of finding scientific supporting evidence for them. When they can not, they try to escape by saying symbolic, poetic, decorative, etc.
In the past they used force, intimidation, torture etc. to make people accept these foolishness. Inquisition of Galileo, Bruno, are examples. Now they depend on appeasement, symbolic language etc.
Visit http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ to get different view on bible and quran.
Hello Mr. Rajan,
In Ramayana "Ravana", the king of Lanka has got 10 heads and twenty hands. That doesn't mean such a giant creature existed in some era. It implies, Ravana is a very intelligent and a powerful person. (Has got the brain(intelligence) and strength of 10 average beings).
In the same way, the goddess are pictured as "ischiopagus", doesn't mean, they were conjoined twins. Implies they all are part of the same power!!
Whenever you read something and see something, try to capture the essence Mr. Rajan.
Indian thanks for enlightening me. So you mean Ganapathi was having a normal human head, Saraswati, vishnu, durga etc are having only 2 arms as normal human beings. Shiva has no third eye, Brahma has only on head. Vishnu is not resting on Anantha the snake and he is not travelling on garuda. Jesus christ never walk over water, he never turned water into wine and never made dead alive.
If you propogate this idea Rahul will get an opportunity to protest again. Imagine ganesha with a normal human head!!!. Hinduism is in danger!!!!????
My point is God ghost etc are just wonderful imagination of man. Nothing more than that. Some people try to make a living out of these concepts. Whenever we try try to expose these concepts they start protest, start reading edaya lekhanam in church etc.
Mr. Rajan,
Yeah. Now you yourself in a position to answer all your questions. If you don’t know try to find out it by yourself…You can!!! It will be a good mental exercise for your brain, if you do it properly.
Hint for one answer is here: Ganapathi has got human head??? I don't know about which Ganapathi you are talking about!!! In my opinion Ganapathi has got the features of an elephant!!! No offense please… And I never realized the hinduism was standing at the head of Ganesh!!!;)
And Mr. Rajan, I am not trying to support or exaggerate any "*ism". In my view, all are one. All are human beings.
Rahulji, really i shocked to see this presentation. no doubt we are with you, go ahead! if someone want to show to the public his monther's naked body then what we could expect from that person! but our great kerela Government's view of politics they are even ready to rape our country and show to the public!!!
Noone can touch other religions Heritage, culture and tradition. Communism throughout the world they are against religion and god realization but in India they are continuously attacking Hindu tradition and heritage, i am very much disappointed that both left and right governments are concerning more about minority, Are we the majority not a citizen of this nation ? 5 months back there was movie shown throughout the world and India too, named "davinchi code", due to the Christians deep emotion government forced to banned the movie in some states!! recently UPA want to ruin the ramasethu bridge and they want to make shipping canal project, we the hindus reacted but as per communist lords we should not express any emotion or feeling regarding this matter, tell me guys where is the justice?? Mohammad exists, Christ exists, but there is no evident that Rama was exists!!! if an ordinary person saying like this we can be patient , but a honorable person, chief minister was saying like this we should have to get the resistance power in our blood
i have some thoughts or questions to all of you, where we the Indians are standing now? what will be our future ? when we can expect again a great leader for our nation ? when we can come out from this damn politics? when we will awake from this deep sleep? why the politics talking about the minority only? why the majority can't reacts? why the protector of majority called as BJP or RSS? Why we are forgetting our tradition and culture and legacy of India? what is the importance of communism in this modern life ? Why UPA want to ruin Rama sethu to built sethusamudram shipping canal Project? why they can't touch other religion heritages? If i am reacting this project why you are calling me BJP? Why they are thinking Ramasethu is imagination and not possible to built, can now days construction of Tajmahal Possible? by the way Why Ramasethu known as Adam's Bridge?
I hope someone of you have same thoughts of mine, may be i am wrong , i never say i am right! but being an Indian i should express my feelings, shouldn't I?
Rahulji, you have a good heart, i do want to meet you when i will be in India...
Bharatmatha Ki Jay!!
R A J A N
You be an atheist, or rationalit.
But why bother people who belive.? In indian heritage, there is lot respect for atheist, materialist and skeptics. For eg: Charvaka, or Lokayata was called Maharishi Charvaka.
See we all have to co-exist. I respect your beliefs, you respect my beliefs... See here in a nation, we have to live in peaceful co-existance.
AND RAJAN...REMEMBER...Kerala High Court, Delhi High Court, Maharasthra court all accepted our point of view. and dont try to impose ur ideas in every one. Remember peaceful, harmonious, co-existance and art,libery with responsbility is the golden line
and also remember....The 3 great philosophers who started Rationalism, yuktivadam..were the great believers in God.
Descarte - the father of modern philosophy
Leibniz - a great theist, believer
Spinoza - was called the "god intoxicated jew".
so that much is the bottom line of it...
Rahul said: "But why bother people who belive.?"
The Indian Constitution declares scientific temperament as a fundamental duty of all citizens.
it says one of the fundamental duties of Indian citizen as:
"To develop the scientific temper, humanism and the spirit of inquiry and reform";
So being a citizen of India I think it is the duty of everyone to point out dogmas and unscientific customs to the public.
One has every right to believe eg: makaravilakku is lit by bhoothaganangal at Ponnambalamedu. But same way I can say and prove that it is man made.
Hello Mr. Rajan,
It is good to know that, you are aware of the duties of an Indian citizen!!
Me also noted down the fundamental duties of an indian citizen, according to Indian constitution.
1. To abide by the Constitution and respect its ideals and institutions, the National Flag and the National Anthem;
2. To cherish and follow the noble ideals which inspired our national struggle for freedom;
3. To uphold and protect the sovereignty, unity and integrity of India;
4. To defend the country and render national service when called upon to do so;
5. To promote harmony and the spirit of common brotherhood amongst all the people of India transcending religious, linguistic and regional or sectional diversities; to renounce practices derogatory to the dignity of women;
6. To value and preserve the rich heritage of our composite culture;
7. To protect and improve the natural environment including forests, lakes, rivers and wild life, and to have compassion for living creatures;
8. To develop the scientific temper, humanism and the spirit of inquiry and reform;
9. To safeguard public property and to abjure violence;
10. To strive towards excellence in all spheres of individual and collective activity so that the nation constantly rises to higher levels of endeavour and achievement.
Study all the points while you are reading something...As an indian citizen, you are responsible to do all these...;) Not only one...:)
You can start thinking about the "heritage of india"...
And what is "integrity of Indian culture"...
Read the points 2, 3, 5, 6 and 10 as well....;)
And please remember:
Animals can learn, but it is not by learning that they become dogs, cats, or horses. Only man has to learn to become what he is supposed to be.
Nature attains perfection, but man never does. He is both an unfinished animal and an unfinished man. It is this incurable unfinishedness which set us apart from other living things.
But, remember all experiences, whether they are good or bad when viewed with awareness can unfold new avenues of learning, every moment, every activity, every encounter has within it an unspoken message. It is all the conflict between your rights and others wrongs. The moment you say, "Reason... your faith is reason," you have defined your territory. Beyond that territory, whatever exist you will not accept it - but existence accepts it. Whether you accept it or not does not matter.;)
May God Bless you!!!
Rajan I dare ur guts...I dare u..PROVE IT
Dont be a cheap BLUFF who goes on blabbering bullshit. Prove it man or shut up...
Dont talk gibberish. What can u prove..then prove. Dont talk nonsense, knowing bits and piece of something. Bluffs, Talking about constitution. What do you know abt it. read fundamental duties regarding, (e) and (f) it is there in my blog itself. and Dont think Bluffing is intellectualising. Bluffers
Rahul I can understand your feeling.
Bluff, gibberish, nonsense, blabbering bullshit, intellectualising bluff- Vist following link to have a taste of all above.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=legH7DDmrIc
visit following for an impartial analysis:
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/videopod/default.aspx?id=10648
And Indian, I was talking about dogmas and uscientific belief in our society. So I quoted one from our constitution. Others are there no doubt.
Ohh My God...
Rajan..Who is NDTV to decide. Come on, there is a limit of being childish. The video you gave was the one in which I did the compering.
AND NDTV, I was the guest TWICE in We THe People of Barkha Dutt. I clearly know what Media is, becoz I am working in it for years. But I understand your line of thinking, for you I WILL POINT OUT SOMETHING VERY LOGICAL, AND RATIONAL...See my next message
HAVE YOU OBSERVED WHO ALL DID NDTV ask the answers for
1) some people who claim that they were behind the scene
2) Travancore Devasom Board, which is nothing but Politicians ruling and explotiing temples,
3) They asked the atheist minister too,
4) But DID THEY ASK THE PRIEST'S who were for atleast 2000 years in charge of the temple. Did they ask any one FROM the temple, about this. What ever can be the opinion, they should have tried to know the other side of story, RIGHT ? tell me RIGHT OR WRONG ?
I personally talked to Barkhaji about this when I was her guest, I told her, You can disagree with what I say, But it is the dharma of the media to give the other side too, right ?
Rahul everyone knows what explanation would have been made by temple priest on this. I think NDTV presnted this in a non biased manner.
You may read the following article written by TN Gopakumar Asianet Kannadi anchorer: (enlarge it into large size)
http://www.esnips.com/doc/14ac1552-6f30-47af-afc4-0548d49a5920/Kalakaumudi
What we believe depends on whom we trust. – I believe in what Rahul believes…
Indian it is your choice to believe what you want. Since Rahul asked me for some proof I posted above article. One more is following, wirtten by a retd.police officer:
Visit:
http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/vbrajan/?action=view¤t=makara.jpg
Rajan...if you are going by numbers, you may not reach anywhere. Becoz 5 CRORES of pilgrims come to Sabarimala every year, 2nd biggest annual pilgrimage after the Sacred HAJ...
So dont fall for number game. Majority need not be right. First of all do understand the difference between Makara jyothi and makara vilaku. There is a difference in it too.
AND REMEMBER STUDY any topic before commenting or falling for any one's comments. I personally called up Gopakuamr sir in this issue, I myself personally went to YUKTIVADI SANGHAM Secretary and collected the SO-Called proofs he have. You can cross check with any one them. I also went in person to Kairali channel who once aired a report on this. So understand, I study things in depth before commenting. AND remember NDTV's report was shabby, violating the basic ethics of reporting with out presenting both the sides, admit it, have the courage to admit if something is right ?
BUT RAJAN, I AGAIN GIVE U MY NUMBER
0 9 8 4 6 8 - 1 5 5 5 5 .
it shows my openness to debate and discussions.
and REMEMBER ANY OF THE ISSUES YOU RAISED D O N T JUSTIFY
M F H U S S A I N
IT is only becoz we are right all the COURTS IN THIS GREAT NATION ACCEPTED OUR ARGUMENTS AND HUSSAIN IS PROSECUTED.
WHY DONT YOU COMMENT ON THAT ?
WHY RUN AWAY FROM THE CENTRAL ISSUE OF THE BLOG ?
AND THOSE WHO JUSTIFY HUSSAIN ARE AS GUILTY AS HUSSAIN HIMSELF
Dear Rahul,
I appreciate your spirit of inquiry and openess. Goodmorning Kiran anchored by you was one of the best programms. There you have shown the courage to discuss many issues like god, religion, astrology, pongala and many other dogmas of our society. Normally we do not encourage even discussing these issues publically.
But now you try to justify makaravilakku by raising some lame duck , confusing arguments. If we accept reality as such then there is no need for much arguments. You can see how church is struggling to relate bible scripters with modern science.
Regarding MF Hussain's paintings, it is your personnal view. I support artistic freedom. If some paintings offending someone keep away from it.
You can watch a painting by Raja Raviverma at:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/Ravi_Varma-Shantanu_and_Satyavati.jpg
Here satyavati is shown as half naked. I do not know it offends someone.
Hello Mr. “Rajan”,
Yeah. I believe Rahul. I will keep on believing him only...
You told, "Normally we do not encourage even discussing these issues publically." I would like to know who are this "We"???;)).
And about the painting...
Do you know the relation between Santanu and satyavathi?
Do you know the relation between Hanuman and Sita?
Do you know who Bharath matha is for an Indian?
If you don't know the answer, first you study about this, before you put forward your unthoughtful comments.
Yes, of course if some paintings offend "someone" you can keep away from it. But if some painting hurts a nation's feeling, it is up to you where to stand.
Many Indians fought for years for our Nation's freedom from a foreign power! And countless many are martyrs for it. But some people were away from it. But at the end India got freedom. One has got every freedom to keep oneself where ever they prefer to keep. Mr.”Rajan”, If you prefer having a "label" that is up to you, the label of to be or not to be, but I think when you slap them upon people who do not necessarily want them that is WRONG.
Rahulji, I think Rajan is totally confused about Indian culture, tradition and Heritage, if he does need to see the culture of our great Indian heritage he should come out from India and look it from some other country...Rahulji , you pls don't waste your valuble time for this guy...goahead with your thoughts. one abnormal Rajan can not make any differents in your path because thousands of normal Rajans are with you ..........be strong and keep on going...jai Hind!!
yes,rahul you are right...
It is another topic of discussion if MFH paints as a means of self expression or insult people like you.
I was born as a Hindu and continue to follow the Hindu way of worship.
But my convictions are STRONG ENOUH not to get offended by what another person says or does.
Sorry Rahul!
My Rama,Seetha ,Hanuman,Devis and Mathas are not the same as yours.
They exist on a higher plane.
Hope you get what I mean.
KILLLLLLLLLLLLLL HIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM... he has no right to live here.............
my name is swathy...b.tech stdnt
to 00000000
i think thatu r seeing ur father &mother in a higher plane.... then wht will u do when some offndnd pictures of ur parents & published!!!!!!????????
BHUMI PUTRI...
S O R R Y My Rama and Sita exist in a "lower plane". I am N A R R O W M I N D E D enough to beat up a guy who raises his fingers on my mothers and sisters morality.
If some one INSULTS them, I AM NOT A S A I N T enough to ELEVATE THEM TO another level. AND IF YOU CALL THAT ANOTHER LEVEL, I would Despise and detest that other level. What to do...A simple ordinary FUNDAMENTALIST, NARROW MINDED, MORAL POLICING person who "bothers" about Nation and family
R A J A N
I am sorry to say the words below "God and Rajans family please forgive me"
I responded to some of ur earlier post thinking atleast by responding u wil have some sense
BUT U R IRRITATING BY BEING DEAF
" Rajante AMMAyeyum, Neighbourineyum nalla positionil varachalenkilum feel cheyuumo.. Sir nu Cheyiilariukkum. BUT ASK UR FATHER, He will tell you how he will feel"
Njan parayanda parayanda ennu vicharichatha..enne kondu parayipicche adangu ennu paranjal..Ethu kelkendi varum.
AND I DARE, UR SPINE..U DEAF..IF YOU SAY THE EARLIER PICTURE I MENTIONED DOESNT OFFEND YOU
I WILL DELETE THE WHOLE BLOG AND APOLOGIZE TO YOU PUBLICALLY.
Tanikku paranja manasillaville. quoting some fools called yuktivadis..Who are they ? I DARE
"NATTELLUNDEKIL PROVE IT..DAMN IT...SPINLESS, CULTURELESS CRAPS"
I D A R E...
(for all the other readers, i hardly use HARSH words. But this guy INSPITE OF APPRECIATING ME FOR MY TV SHOW wants this for MY NATION AND MY HERITAGE ARE of greater value than me and my life)
Please forgive
Similar PEOPLE like HIM...WHO BLUFF AND MAKE NOISE.
WE HAVE A MINISTER CALLED SRI. G.Sudhakaran...WHO TOO MAKES NOISE AND NOTHING ELSE.
He alleged " I am paid by American Mafia, international Mafia is making me do such activities "
I replied " NATTELLUNDENKIL prove it, You have police with you, you have all the power, PROVE IT, or STOP BARKING, "
Nattellillatha, nalla Achanum Ammakum janikkatha..Vayil thonnuna, Kandavante Blogil kidanna sadhanam ctrl c, ctrl v adichu proof aanenu parayunna THIRD RATE, PETTY Cynicism, Kuttam Parayuuna Swabhavam..
I know you can react only in this way.
Ullathu parayumbol thullalu varum.
It is natural.
Calling names and slogan shouting will not lead you anywhere. Try to defend your point by raising facts.
You conducted a pooja (a big joke of this year) to change Minister Sudhakaran. I thought by now he is a changed man. What happend to your pooja. Poojas become ineffective now?
I believe in you Rahul
Rajan...
Sad that people watch half the news. I DIDNT CONDUCT ANY POOJA..IT WAS A SYMBOLIC PROTEST. Athu manasilakathavar ethum ethinappuiravum Parayum
SWANTHAM AMMEKKURICHU CHODICHITTU PARAYATHA THANANO POOJAYE KURICHU PARAYUNATHU HE...I FEEL PITY ABOUT THE GOOD FATHER AND MOTHER WHO
GAVE BIRTH TO YOU.
Njan THULLUM, VENENKIL THALLUM...I, till the day I die will do that if some one offends my nation. Angane oru attitude undavanamenkil ..... Janikkanam..
allatha Pustakam vayichu arm chaired philosopher aya pora RAJA..
I will shout slogan till the last vocal chord breaks, for a million people lost their voice to gain voice and freedom for me.
WHAT DAMN FACTS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ??
What relevant point did you raise apart from blabbering the usual "freedom of expression" AND WHY THE Hon Courts didnt take the DAMN FACTS WHILE ordering against Hussain..CRaps and Bluffs.Randu pustakam vayichal philosopher ayi eena vicharam. I feel bad about my nation and people when I see these births are also there in it.
1) Why didnt Courts take UR FACTS...into account..? GO TO COURT, IF YOU HAVE SPINE, GET HUSSAIN FREE FROM COURT ORDERS ??
Dont blabber. I DARE ur SPINE. my number is 098468-15555, call me from any public booth..I CHALLENGE YOU FOR A DEBATE
oh my god!!!! on reading all these comments I feel like fainting...
Thank u so much Mr.Rahul for this service of yours. As I scroll through ur replies 4 other foolish people in your blog I am able to realize your anger and frustration.I adore your guts sir!!!! hats off to u....Bharath matha will feel great pride for having people like u in her land sir!!
Great Job's Mr.Rahul. In Ramayana, Ravana had more education than Rama, but lacked in self-consiousness, self-conduct & moral. So do our people called 'buddhijeevi', 'rationalists', who try to pose themselves as intellects. If they really dare to support 'freedom of expression', & to support Hussain, let them first post their nude photos, supportin their views as 'freedom of expressions'. Mr.Rahul, morale support of true sentiments & blessings will always be with you for your true & heartfull work. Good luck
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